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You have the connection on the trail side. The emphasis is on the trail side.How about rotating/pulling the trail side shoulder around (keeping the connection) and the lead shoulder will come with it?
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Absolutely agree with that buddy, the good thing about that is we will get lead side compliance involvement but we dont have to consciously think about it….I am very much trail side/dominant side centered in my body feel…. I have found its much easier to ‘pull’ the trail shoulder back than it is to’ push’ the lead shoulder across/around.
hi jh 🙂
i see you don’t take divots with your irons. is this your preferred way to play irons, by sweeping them of the turf ?
thanks and cheers !
Because my general swing plane is quite flat and rotary it is conducive to a shallower attack angle through impact than most swings… I dont try to sweep my irons I get the clipping process from my plane angle attack, the benefit for me is that I very rarely hit any shot even slightly fat… my miss hit is a bit thin which invariably doesn’t effect direction or distance much at all.
The only disadvantage I have ever felt with my shallow attack angle has been with 3/4/5 woods of the fairway which require a pinching action to get the right launch characteristics …. but with today’s hybrid clubs I just use stronger lofts and hit them instead of conventional fairway woods… I can hit my 16 deg hybrid as far as any 3 wood I have and with way better flight.
The advantage of not taking divots really pays off with short pitch shots because I can really nip the ball and control the spin …. that is hard to do if you hit the ball even the slightest bit fat with pitch shots.
How much length are you losing?
No loss of distance at all, my drives are longer in fact…irons are normal to a bit longer.
you have to feel like you’re picking it, hitting up,no?
The feeling for me is the trail hand going out/over/down and through the ball… and trying to get both hands low and around the body after impact… the throw of the trail hand fingers ensures no ‘picking’ of the ball.
I see Lee Comeaux has posted 2 Da Vinci videos – I cannot figure out exactly what he is saying … but I know that between the two of you – the Code has been cracked – I look forward to the collaboration between JH and Lee – Go for it. https://www.youtube.com/user/CmotionGolf1
I will be talking to Lee in the next couple of days by Skype so he will no doubt give me some good info .
JH –you are the most amazing “teacher” I’ve encountered in my 66 years that has included all sorts of college degrees in psychology & philosophy graduate & otherwise, a long stint as a carpenter, and other multiple adventures. You teach by exploring the subject matter with you yourself as the laboratory! Awesome! I salute you ! And thank you so much for your attitude and pure generosity. MJC ps: Ask me about the 3 days I spent with T. Nichols in CA about a dozen years ago, sometime, if you’re so inclined…
Hi M, Thank you for the kind words…. its all a journey of personal discovery for me… but my attitude is that its really not much fun discovery something if you cant share it with someone, would like to hear about your time in CA, my email address is ….firstname.lastname@example.org…drop me a line…look forward to hearing from you.
I only wish we could see that BALL FLIGHT !!!
I have to do more DTL videos at the right time of day to contrast the ball against the sky…. I am no Stephen Spielberg when it comes to focusing a camera or positioning it…. I will however try to get some good DTL ball flight shots.
Hi JH – Isn’t a throwaway action harder to time and didn’t AJ Bonar try a similar approach? You have very strong arms and wrists so maybe this fits you better than someone who is weaker. For example, if you had weak wrists and timed the stroke wrong and dug deep in the ground , isn’t there a risk that you will do some damage (especially to the right wrist)? I know one can do the same with a conventional swing but you have both wrists and arms that can buffer some of the jarring that could happen. Hopefully , when you finalise the atomic particles , this will all become clearer from a safety aspect too.
Strength is not a prerequisite with the throw away action… in fact the lack of strength is why you see most female pro golfers have almost no lag in their swings and a very definite looking throw away action…. you have to bear in mind all previous teachings relative to the adversity of throw away has been based on conventional uncoupled trail arms and lateral hand/forearm travel, we dont want any travel… I will be highlighting more of the mechanics of this as we go along. .
The position of the feet is critical to get the tilt. Pointing the left foot made all the difference. When I made that change, my accuracy improved greatly. Loving this swing. Thanks again for all your videos.
Very good point…. totally agree…the lead foot needs to be angled towards the target to let the lead knee rotate around and backwards easier.
JH, Ive always had a problem with casting and hitting fat shots (probably due to weak hands and wrists but the problem may be something else). The faster the transition from the top, regardless of how low the top is, the more the club races in front of my hands. I’m finding that the “back slap” intention just makes this problem worse and I hit a lot of fat shots with this deliberate casting trying to hit that “third ball”. Is there a way to correct the problem of hitting fat without needing stronger grip strength? Bobby Jones did not appear to use much grip pressure at all.
Also, one quick comment on Lee C’s swing. He says in some videos he’s not conscious of turning but if you look at that video “Feb 24, 2013 Cmotion Clinic” which has crystal clear video of Lee from above, it’s clear he’s turning his hips approx 45 degrees and his shoulders almost 90 degrees. I believe you pointed out a similar myth about Moe not having a rotational swing which he clearly did when viewed from above.
If you are getting way to much ‘early’ throw away you are probably stalling up your lead leg/hip push back requirement… the first thing to start the down swing has to be the lead upper leg pushing away from the target…if you just throw the trail hand against the wrist hinge without any lead side drag you will definitely get way to early throw away… I think I may have addressed this to a degree in the videos that will go up in the next hour.
However I will make a point of addressing your problem specifically in the next videos I do .
Lee has a definite ‘ ‘feeling/thought’ that he doesn’t turn much in the back swing which is fine …but because he is so flexible/supple his body makes the turn without any conscious thought requirement, and as you say Moe had just as much lead side arcing of the club head through impact as any other good player.
I had a 2.5 hour Skype hook up with Lee yesterday and and he told me he has ‘evolved’ C Motion to where he wants it and will be unveiling that evolution soon himself which should be great for all of us.
Hi JH…may be interesting to you; have a look at Abe Mitchell at 0:30 on this Pathe clip of excellent quality….see anything familiar?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD2LMOyC7Rw ..My Regards, Ed.
You got it buddy… in fact I make reference to Abe Mitchell’s swing action in some of my videos and in the replies to some posts here on the channel…. Abe had an amazing action… he was incredibly long in his day and very accurate supposedly, I have been an Abe Mitchell fan for a long time …as is my buddy Martin Ayres.
There is a lot to be learned from the old time swings if you look at them from the pure motion/dynamics perspectives… if you graphed Abe on a modern swing monitor the examiner would say he had a terrible set of swing parameters… and there I think lies a lot of the problems with the teaching of the Golf swing today.
Ed, I believe frankly that Abe Mitchell may have had the greatest golf swing release process of all time in any Golf swing…