18 thoughts on “Moe Norman Upgrades no 2

  1. Bjarke Lauridsen says:

    Right foot Down! I forgot all about it. Probably because I play with a
    bunch of rotary guys. Going straight to the range to check if it’s rolling
    like it should! Gr8 to see you back doing some work on Moe again ;)

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Bjarke Lauridsen Hi Bjarke,
      Hey Buddy you don’t need to do a thing to that ‘Moe’ swing of yours, you
      have such a great Moe swing for a big tall guy, and the best tempo I have
      ever seen , man I wish I had your swing ‘flow’, for all the guys that like
      Moe’s swing they should have a look at your swing on your channel, its
      certainly worth looking at.
      cheers JH

  2. P SMITH says:

    Hi JH – Was Moe’s short game good? I’ve never seen any videos of him
    playing out of greenside bunkers or chips and putting. Also wondering how
    he managed trajectory in his golf swing.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +P SMITH Hi Keith,
      Moe’s short game was incredible, there was a video of him in a bunker
      hitting shots that showed his action but it has been taken down, I think
      the Graves guys took it down which is a pity because it shows his action
      and how he was just a ‘skimmer’ of the sand.
      Trajectory was a ‘thought’ process for him, if he wanted a ‘high’ soft
      pitch he just threw the club head ‘up’..if he wanted a low shot he just
      kept the club head ‘down…he said he just did the trajectory by ‘hand
      height through the ball’..high shot ..”high hands’…low shot ..’low
      hands’ through the ball.
      He never gave me any other insight as to how he managed trajectory other
      than that, and frankly that’s how I have always played my shots since I met
      Moe, its amazing how effective it is , the real secret I know is the
      movement of weight/mass with the thought process as well, for the ‘high’
      shot sure the hands go up but the upper body stays back as well, for the
      ‘low’ shot the chest stays ‘low’ though the shot.
      Even though for Moe it was just a thought process his body responded
      automatically to the hand trajectory requirements.
      cheers JH PS I will do something on trajectory in the the coming Moe videos.

    • P SMITH says:

      +1atomicgolf Many thanks JH for answering all my many questions. One thing
      I noticed is that by you restricting the release of your right side , you
      ended up flipping the wrists just past impact (just like Count Yogi – lol
      ). Maybe that’s why it went so far .

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +P SMITH Hi Keith,
      I normally just let my wrists release in a slinging up motion in my normal
      Golf swing, always have, and I think that’s why I have always been a
      straight hitter, for me trying to flat left wrist the shot through impact
      make it feel for me that the club head is slowing down, I just like the
      ‘flip’ type feeling, after impact that is.
      cheers JH

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Thomas Slagle Hi Thomas,
      Not so much that they don’t square up but more of just trying to stay shut
      at impact….the best ever striking session I have ever had was when I felt
      my hips keep turning to the right on the downswing , sort of like I just
      kept my backswing hips feeling on the downswing, not easy to get but when
      you do its amazing.
      cheers Jh

  3. P SMITH says:

    Hi JH – i am getting confused about golfing terminology regarding hitting ,
    pulling , pushing , etc. Because the hands are always ahead of the clubhead
    then I assume that they are pulling the handle. But that rear arm lever is
    the conundrum for me. Is it a passive lever release or an active one? If
    one was just using the weight of the clubhead via gravity to power the
    swing (ie. potential energy to kinetic energy) then I would imagine it
    would be a passive release of rear arm lever. But if one wanted to create a
    bit more whipping action through the ball , are we actively pulling more
    via the arms (with a passive rear arm lever release) or are we activating
    the rear tricep to straighten out that lever ? The activation of the tricep
    would be a pushing action onto the hands but the hands would be effectively
    pulling the clubhead (if you get what I mean?). Obviously the tricep muscle
    must get activated subconsicously at collision to brace the impact,
    stabilise the clubhead and ensure more efficient transfer of momentum to
    the ball (ie. reduce an elastic collision back through the hands) . But did
    Moe activate that tricep much earlier in the swing or was it a pure pulling
    motion with both arms and a passive release of the leverage until impact
    (when tricep fires up automatically)?

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +P SMITH The Golf swing for Moe was like any other structurally well formed
      swing sequenced process, in that the lead side body components preceded the
      trail side body components because of hierarchical torque release
      requirements in reverse order of the torque storage factor.
      Because Moe coiled so strongly his torque storage levels were very high and
      as a resultant the release requirement was equally as strong so he was
      always going to have a ‘lead’ side bias as to that of a ‘pulling’ factor as
      apposed to a ‘throwing or gravity’ based trail side activation .
      He was of course left handed as well which meant his entire lead side body
      componentry was his strongest/dominant side and his left hand/arm being his
      strongest enabled him to activate that side naturally as a first responder
      mechanism.
      Moe pulled harder with his lead hand/arm than most people because he was
      left handed but the reality is that in any swing it is the trail triceps
      and forearm muscles that create the majority of club head speed and power,
      the straightening of the trail forearm by the trail triceps around the
      trail wrist hinge accounts for about 76% of all club head speed developed,
      I can give you the breakdown of the specific body components as speed
      producers if you want them.
      Remember the trail humerus has to be activated from the top of the swing
      before the triceps get into the act, and the muscles that do that are the
      ..latissimus dorsi/teres major/ coracobrachialis/subscapularis and the
      pectoralis major, all very powerful muscle groups which if not preceded in
      activation by the lead side muscle groups will totally overwhelm the
      correct application sequencing of the club head into the ball.
      To capsulize every swing must have a ‘pulling’ component , whether it is a
      predominant body component like the lead knee/hip or the lead hand/arm….
      it has to be a lead ‘something’…and invariably in a golf swing to get
      lead’ you need some form of ‘pulling’.
      cheers Jh.

    • P SMITH says:

      +1atomicgolf Many thanks again JH for that detailed answer – fantastic
      stuff . Maybe you need to write a book yourself about the Moe Norman swing.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +P SMITH Hi Keith,
      The Golf book I want to write is ….’The Golf Swing ‘Everyone’ Can Use’…
      trouble is I haven’t worked out what that swing is… yet, but I think I am
      close .
      cheers JH

  4. Forney Johnson says:

    Hi JH……I am really enjoying your videos. I am converting to the Moe
    swing and am having good results with the full swing. Pitch shots is my
    downfall. Those 35-60 yard less than full swing shots are killing my game.
    Full swing, chipping, and putting are all decent. Did Moe use his same
    basic mechanics for the pitch shot also?

    I have looked at your other pitching videos, but am getting confused
    between the Moe mechanics and your other pitching methods. I would like to
    simplify and go full Moe mechanics for all shots. If you have a video
    addressing Moe’s pitching method could you please point me to a link. I’m a
    68 year old who has been playing for about 5-6 years.

    Thanks for all you efforts to help your fellow golfers.

    Cheers FJ

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Forney Johnson Hi Forney,
      The secret with Pitching the ball with the Moe method is to not be as
      structurally rigid in the pitching setup as the long shot setup, a lot of
      people get to wide with the stance and stand to far away from the ball as
      they see in Moe’s full swing type.
      The pitching setup is much softer and Moe was closer to the ball as well,
      in fact he gripped his wedges down a lot so he could get closer to the ball
      with the pitch shots.
      I guess the way to get the pitch shot distance from the ball feeling is to
      hit some shots with your feet together with the single axis Moe setup then
      just gradually move your feet apart until you have the balance required to
      hit the shots with the power you need for that 35/60 distance, you will
      find your setup distance from the ball with the feet together drill.
      As with all pitch shots you need to be considerably closer to the ball than
      the normal swing requires in order that the club swing more vertically
      through the ball which gives the accuracy factor required for the short
      type shots.
      Its a common problem for players learning the Moe swing mechanics to stand
      to far away from the ball with the pitch shots and have the stance way to
      wide, I will do a video on that aspect of the Moe swing in the next few
      days, I dont remember doing one before.
      cheers JH.

    • Forney Johnson says:

      +1atomicgolf Thanks mate,,,I really appreciate the reply, and I think you
      may be right about the distance to the ball factor. It makes sense that the
      further away from the ball, the greater the chance for error.

      BTW, I love the videos from the “paddock”….I keep waiting for a couple of
      Roos to come hopping by the practice tee!!

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Forney Johnson ‘The ‘Paddock’ is a fun place , when I have high students
      fly in for lessons for the first time I take them out to the ‘Paddock’ and
      the look on their faces is so funny because most of the time there are cows
      just a few meters away and the grass is ankle high ,but its amazing how
      they all love the uniqueness of the paddock environment for hitting shots.
      If you watched some of my videos from last year when I was doing my videos
      from my country property you would have seen roos , they used to sit by the
      practice tee while I hit balls, I will be doing the Moe pitching video
      maybe this afternoon or tomorrow so just look at the channel over the next
      day or so.
      cheers JH

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