39 thoughts on “Moe’s Atomic Particle no 2

  1. tony. rob says:

    Hi JHIf the nail was in the ball what direction would you be looking to hit
    the nail ?regardsTony

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Tony,
      In my own case I would be hitting the nail at about 7 degrees in to out
      because my shoulders are closed that amount at impact, and the nail for me
      is positioned on the equator of the ball, not the bottom.
      cheers JH

  2. Thomas Slagle says:

    I love it. More evidence of the principle that the best golf instruction is
    to do the opposite of what traditional golf instruction says. Don’t use
    your hands – fire your hands as hard as you can!

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Thomas,
      I remember Seve said to me once that its impossible to hit to hard with the
      trail hand if you do it only 6 inches from the ball, didn’t Hogan say do
      the ‘opposite’ of what you think you should do in The Golf Swing and you
      will be close to the right swing”…for me the pitching has come alive, its
      scary how hard the ball comes off the face on short pitches and how much
      spin you can get, I saw that in Moe and it always fascinated me, he even
      did it on his bunker shots, I tried today and its amazing, i will have to
      do a video on it to show the result it gives.
      cheers JH

    • P SMITH says:

      Actually JH , you demonstrated how easy it is to generate momentum closer
      to the ball when you did the Count Yogi chipping/pitching . Yogi basically
      just held lightly with his left hand while letting his right wrist act as a
      fulcrum and power source.
      ps. I still find the Yogi pitching/chipping less risky than conventional
      techniques but distance control can be difficult if your timing is off.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Keith,
      There are ‘Ways’ and there are ‘More’ ways to swing the club and generate
      great impact and accuracy, Yogi is as you say a perfect example the exact
      opposite of the ‘look’ of Intent in his pitching action, whereas Moe
      ‘clearly’ looks like his is really accelerating the club head in his pitch
      shots Yogi does not, yet he still has the same basic dynamics going on,
      that being trail hand dominance of significance prior to impact.
      I have had amazing days with Yogi pitching but like you I feel the
      looseness and excessive hanging over a short swing span of travel is hard
      to control distance wise constantly, but doesn’t this highlight how many
      variances you can have in technique and still get amazing results.
      Talking about chipping, have you noticed how ordinary Martin Kaymer is as a
      chipper/short pitcher of the ball, he really did on occasions in the Open
      look like a club golfer with his chipping, he almost looks a bit ‘Yippy’
      with them , I have seen the weakness in him for a long time and it was
      interesting to hear the commentators like Tony Johnstone comment about it
      as well ,but then Lee Westwood has been probably the worst chipper/short
      pitcher of the ball in world Golf for ever, he is only marginally better
      these days which is such a shame because he is in my top 5 ball strikers of
      current players .
      I dont know why players do not seek out specialist short game coaches for
      help in those areas,Lee is not an easy guy to teach generally from what I
      hear so if a short game guru told him he was awful at chipping/pitching he
      probably wouldnt work with the guy, when that’s exactly the type of coach
      he needs.
      cheers JH

    • P SMITH says:

      Cheers JH – My short game is woeful . My playing partner said I was driving
      the ball the best he’d ever seen (for me!) but I still hit 94 (about 15
      shots dropped within 10-50 yards from flag). Very frustrating.

  3. Lee N says:

    JH…are you saying that the wrists are “active” and not passive at that
    point in the swing? That you forcibly use you wrists to snap the club?

  4. P SMITH says:

    Hi – JH
    So from a TGM standpoint , could Moe be defined as a right arm swinger?
    This sort of reminds me of the Tom Tomasello videos on You Tube (Chapters 1
    – 9) which imho are quite excellent. He also stresses a late hit with the
    right hand at around the same point where he sets his wrists early in the
    takeaway (almost immediately from his address positon). Maybe Moe saying he
    pulled hard with left hand/arm made people think he was a left hand
    swinger.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Keith,
      Moe is certainly a left hand/arm ‘leader’ into impact but he just hammers
      the ball with the right hand as well, he is a rare category ., can we call
      him a ‘Left Hand Leader.. Right Hand Finisher’…..or something along those
      lines, he is definitely a ‘Combo’ of both left and right hands/arms
      deliberate applicators.
      cheers JH

  5. Rex Braggins says:

    hi jh as i have said before i was working on bryson de swing and this move
    with the hands pulled it altogether for me .also my pitching
    improved.cheers rex.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Rex,
      Glad you are making progress, I am disappointed Bryson D hasn’t kicked on
      of late, I thought he could win a tournament virtually straight away
      because his striking is so incredible, its of course still very early days,
      I think he will win this year for sure, and it wouldnt surprise me if it
      was next week frankly.
      cheers Jh

    • Chip Satterly says:

      Hi JH,
      I worry that Bryson has become VERY distracted since the Master’s. He is
      very involved COMMERCIALLY now with Puma, is working on changing his irons
      etc etc.
      He is very young and will be easily swayed by outside influences.
      He MUST focus on HIS golf and NOT all the outside temptations.
      I remember Lee Janzen with a great swing and incredible putter who after
      winning the US Open (!!!) changed his clubs to make some easy money. He was
      never the same again.
      No reason for Bryson not to make the cut at the Canadian Open.
      He has two sponsor’s exemptions left and still needs to make a lot of money
      to earn a card for next year.
      Otherwise he will have to go to the Web.com finals to try and qualify that
      way.
      Like yourself, i thought he would be a lot more CONSISTENT with that single
      path swing.
      Chip

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Chip,
      I saw him interviewed at length about his swing evolution and his club
      design etc, he appeared to be an incredibly grounded and mature person
      generally, but of course that was before his big money hook up with
      Cobra/Puma, the other tragedy of course was Rich Beem, he was playing the
      house down with those Taylormade graphite irons and after the PGA major win
      succumbed to the big money from I think it was Callaway and he disappeared
      overnight…never to return.
      He was the player that Jack Nicklaus made that famous comment about..’Its
      amazing what people will do for money’.
      I would have thought that with the technical resources of Cobra that they
      would have in fact come up with at least as good if not better clubs as the
      Edel ones he was playing with , I hope its only a temporary hiccup, the
      world of Pro Golf needs his type of difference out there.
      cheers JH

  6. Nat McIntosh says:

    yes jh this agreat revelation for my golf swing,can’t wait to get back to
    course as time is limited.this has really cleared some thing up.good days
    to sir and thank you.

  7. rtosborne3 says:

    Thanks for all the great videos. Correct me if I’m wrong but the “Moe
    Swing” you are teaching in this video has a lot in common with the one in
    the “Short Controlled Acceleration Swing” video.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      The emphasis of getting the club head really going into the ball at impact
      fast in a ‘hitting’ manner’ is in the ‘Short Controlled Acceleration Swing’
      …the difference being in Moe’s particle swing there is a definite
      ‘pulling’ with the lead hand to set the trail hand up for the last instance
      hammer action.
      In the S.C.A.S. swing there is more ‘specific’ emphasis on just shortening
      up the swing length and making a very concerted effort to fire the club
      head through the ball as fast as possible, but of course not with the
      lateral slide component and the right foot down at impact , but there is a
      ‘similar’ emphasis at and through the ball with the club head.
      cheers JH

  8. rrasmussen32 says:

    I took 3 Natural Golf schools. No instructor could break 80. “I asked” You
    teach the essence of the great man’s swing. Thanks.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      I dont know who your instructors were , at Todd Graves school his brother
      is a very well credentialed player and had a successful playing career,
      Todd himself played a bit on the mini tours as well, I think they can still
      play ok.
      I remember in the early days of the ‘Natural Golf’ promotion of Moe there
      were a lot of Schools around the place that had instructors that were
      probably not well credentialed as players , I know the original Instructor
      Scott Hazeldine was a former good Tour player , but I did hear a lot of the
      same comment as yours about some of the instructors , but I think when
      Natural Golf went bust and Todd Graves open his schools the instruction
      became much more professional.
      Todd can demonstrate Moe’s swing in a version of pretty high quality , as
      can his brother, his instructors today I would think would be high level
      expertise teachers because Todd is very discerning about the reputation of
      Moe’s swing and how it is demonstrated, he seems to be very busy these days
      which is usually a sign that he is providing a good quality of teaching.
      cheers Jh

  9. maxxsee says:

    Another important factor to why he hit it so straight is also because of
    his setup and simple takeaway that made hitting top position easier than
    traditional setups.

  10. Nat McIntosh says:

    golf swing genuis.left arm steers the motion and right side hinge fires it
    though.atrue intint for a older guy who found golf latter in year playin
    with the younger men off the long box .exellent jh .

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Moe absolutely was a ‘genius’…. the lead with the ‘ lead hand/arm’ and
      hit with the ‘trail’ hand has been around forever , but the genius of Moe
      was the isolating the timing as he did to that last instant where you drop
      the pulling and apply the hitting is the ‘genius’ factor.
      cheers JH

  11. Jim Siverts says:

    What is the name of the book? I know you said the name of it in the other
    video but I couldn’t understand it.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      ‘Golf Reform Is At Hand’……its not a book with any great instructional
      value, it just gives some background of Moe and the Natural Golf company
      and Jack Kuykendall who brought Moe to prominence late in his life, there
      is some stuff that may be of interest but as an instructional info book it
      is not much value.
      cheers JH

  12. TJ4FA says:

    As a Moe Norman fan, I love your videos and your simple swing. In this
    video, you are talking about the smash factor at impact.
    In the link below to my photobucket album is a screen shot of Moe’s hand
    action at impact from a video posted online I was able to capture at that
    precise moment.
    I tried to do it with your hand impact position but you were too far away
    and the frames were too jumpy.
    I hope the link works – http://s117.photobucket.com/user/jaynethecat/library/Golf
    tj4fa

    • TJ4FA says:

      As you can see by the two frozen frames at Moe’s impact release point by
      looking at the stretch in his watch band, his left wrist is slightly bowed
      and right wrist bent backward and then goes to straight at impact. You can
      see at impact his wrist and watch band is now normal with no stretched
      links.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Moe would be in a stronger position than me because he has so much pull
      compared to me, I release the storage way earlier than Moe but I am now
      actually hitting more at impact because of picking up on the last instant
      intention, I the real evidence of Moe’s smas factor can be clearly seen in
      his small distance pitch shots and bunker shots, its way slower in speed
      but clearly the same intention factor and its way easier to see at the
      slower speed.
      Glad the videos are of interest to you.
      cheers JH

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      You are very kind to compare me to Hogan, but I think any comparison of Me
      and anyone named Hogan would have to to ‘Paul Hogan’…not ‘Ben
      Hogan’…..my swing gets as many laughs as his jokes though, I have some
      stuff coming up tomorrow that may be of interest to you, I am applying
      ‘All’ the ‘Moe Particle’ components into one ‘Complete’ package, you might
      get a kick out of it.
      cheers JH

  13. freddy says:

    This looks interesting and I look forward to studying this series in
    detail. My initial reaction is to be skeptical for the following reason.
    Anything that you have to “time” in the split second of a downswing will be
    subject to variation and error. You seem to say that the firing of the
    right hand must be timed such that it is done when the club head is almost
    to the ball. I cannot possibly see how anyone can control that unless they
    are a freak with that natural ability. What are you doing that allows you
    to time the right hand firing with such precision?
    I ran into the same frustration with those who teach Hogan’s swing when
    they said you have to roll your wrist from cocked back, to flat, to bowed
    forward during the bottom half of the downswing. Sounds simple but darn
    near impossible to time.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Freddy,
      Clearly I dont time the last instant application of the right hand hammer
      action every time, but I ‘try’ to, its an ‘intention’ rather than a
      definite reality , I agree its tough to time the process I am advocating
      every time but if you stick at it you will have good success , as I said I
      definitely dont time every impact to the degree I want to but I do get
      enough of the intention most times to produce good results for me.
      Hogan actually had almost an identical external rotation of his right
      Humerus and the palm up forearm rotation coming down which gave him his
      acute ‘pitch’ right elbow look at hip height on the down swing.
      I understand the difficulty you experienced with the Hogan mechanics but
      like all the specific instructions on particular component applications you
      have to blend ‘all’ of them to suit your application capabilities, it
      always difficult to blend ‘parts’ of a swing together.
      cheers JH

    • freddy says:

      I hate to be dense but could you break down what you are doing (or feeling)
      with the right arm and hand as part of the “hammer” motion? Just wondering
      if the hand is just being shoved at the ball or if there is some “rotation”
      involved. I.E. is there internal rotation of the upper arm similar to a
      sidearm baseball pitcher? Or are you just straightening your right elbow
      with the feeling of just pushing your right palm straight into the ground?
      And is the right hand grip a strong, weak, or somewhere in the middle
      position?

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Freddy,
      Missed this post from you until today, if you had a long hammer in your
      right hand and you wanted to hammer a nail perfectly straight into the ball
      just below its equator and just of center towards you how would you have to
      hold the hammer handle as a configuration of grip, just get a hammer in
      your hand and mimic the action you would need to drive the nail into the
      ball, that’s how you need to feel the delivery of the club head to the
      ball, what happens after impact is just velocity rotation taking effect
      with a proper golf club.
      cheers JH

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