Moe’s Atomic Particle no 2


tony. rob - July 24, 2016

Hi JHIf the nail was in the ball what direction would you be looking to hit
the nail ?regardsTony

    1atomicgolf - July 24, 2016

    Hi Tony,
    In my own case I would be hitting the nail at about 7 degrees in to out
    because my shoulders are closed that amount at impact, and the nail for me
    is positioned on the equator of the ball, not the bottom.
    cheers JH

Pat Ryan - July 24, 2016

Looks (and sounds) like: SLIDE/PULL/SLAP!!

    1atomicgolf - July 24, 2016

    Slide/Pull/Slap definitely comparable….but the ‘Slap’ has to be at
    precisely the right time after the pull.
    cheers JH

    Pat Ryan - July 24, 2016

    I agree JH. I need lots of practice before I trust this completely.

    1atomicgolf - July 25, 2016

    Hi Pat, Wait until you try it in the bunker , its an absolute hoot.
    cheers JH

Thomas Slagle - July 24, 2016

I love it. More evidence of the principle that the best golf instruction is
to do the opposite of what traditional golf instruction says. Don’t use
your hands – fire your hands as hard as you can!

    1atomicgolf - July 25, 2016

    Hi Thomas,
    I remember Seve said to me once that its impossible to hit to hard with the
    trail hand if you do it only 6 inches from the ball, didn’t Hogan say do
    the ‘opposite’ of what you think you should do in The Golf Swing and you
    will be close to the right swing”…for me the pitching has come alive, its
    scary how hard the ball comes off the face on short pitches and how much
    spin you can get, I saw that in Moe and it always fascinated me, he even
    did it on his bunker shots, I tried today and its amazing, i will have to
    do a video on it to show the result it gives.
    cheers JH

    P SMITH - July 25, 2016

    Actually JH , you demonstrated how easy it is to generate momentum closer
    to the ball when you did the Count Yogi chipping/pitching . Yogi basically
    just held lightly with his left hand while letting his right wrist act as a
    fulcrum and power source.
    ps. I still find the Yogi pitching/chipping less risky than conventional
    techniques but distance control can be difficult if your timing is off.

    1atomicgolf - July 26, 2016

    Hi Keith,
    There are ‘Ways’ and there are ‘More’ ways to swing the club and generate
    great impact and accuracy, Yogi is as you say a perfect example the exact
    opposite of the ‘look’ of Intent in his pitching action, whereas Moe
    ‘clearly’ looks like his is really accelerating the club head in his pitch
    shots Yogi does not, yet he still has the same basic dynamics going on,
    that being trail hand dominance of significance prior to impact.
    I have had amazing days with Yogi pitching but like you I feel the
    looseness and excessive hanging over a short swing span of travel is hard
    to control distance wise constantly, but doesn’t this highlight how many
    variances you can have in technique and still get amazing results.
    Talking about chipping, have you noticed how ordinary Martin Kaymer is as a
    chipper/short pitcher of the ball, he really did on occasions in the Open
    look like a club golfer with his chipping, he almost looks a bit ‘Yippy’
    with them , I have seen the weakness in him for a long time and it was
    interesting to hear the commentators like Tony Johnstone comment about it
    as well ,but then Lee Westwood has been probably the worst chipper/short
    pitcher of the ball in world Golf for ever, he is only marginally better
    these days which is such a shame because he is in my top 5 ball strikers of
    current players .
    I dont know why players do not seek out specialist short game coaches for
    help in those areas,Lee is not an easy guy to teach generally from what I
    hear so if a short game guru told him he was awful at chipping/pitching he
    probably wouldnt work with the guy, when that’s exactly the type of coach
    he needs.
    cheers JH

    P SMITH - July 27, 2016

    Cheers JH – My short game is woeful . My playing partner said I was driving
    the ball the best he’d ever seen (for me!) but I still hit 94 (about 15
    shots dropped within 10-50 yards from flag). Very frustrating.

Lee N - July 24, 2016

JH…are you saying that the wrists are “active” and not passive at that
point in the swing? That you forcibly use you wrists to snap the club?

P SMITH - July 25, 2016

Hi – JH
So from a TGM standpoint , could Moe be defined as a right arm swinger?
This sort of reminds me of the Tom Tomasello videos on You Tube (Chapters 1
– 9) which imho are quite excellent. He also stresses a late hit with the
right hand at around the same point where he sets his wrists early in the
takeaway (almost immediately from his address positon). Maybe Moe saying he
pulled hard with left hand/arm made people think he was a left hand

    1atomicgolf - July 25, 2016

    Hi Keith,
    Moe is certainly a left hand/arm ‘leader’ into impact but he just hammers
    the ball with the right hand as well, he is a rare category ., can we call
    him a ‘Left Hand Leader.. Right Hand Finisher’…..or something along those
    lines, he is definitely a ‘Combo’ of both left and right hands/arms
    deliberate applicators.
    cheers JH

Rex Braggins - July 25, 2016

hi jh as i have said before i was working on bryson de swing and this move
with the hands pulled it altogether for me .also my pitching
improved.cheers rex.

    1atomicgolf - July 25, 2016

    Hi Rex,
    Glad you are making progress, I am disappointed Bryson D hasn’t kicked on
    of late, I thought he could win a tournament virtually straight away
    because his striking is so incredible, its of course still very early days,
    I think he will win this year for sure, and it wouldnt surprise me if it
    was next week frankly.
    cheers Jh

    Chip Satterly - July 25, 2016

    Hi JH,
    I worry that Bryson has become VERY distracted since the Master’s. He is
    very involved COMMERCIALLY now with Puma, is working on changing his irons
    etc etc.
    He is very young and will be easily swayed by outside influences.
    He MUST focus on HIS golf and NOT all the outside temptations.
    I remember Lee Janzen with a great swing and incredible putter who after
    winning the US Open (!!!) changed his clubs to make some easy money. He was
    never the same again.
    No reason for Bryson not to make the cut at the Canadian Open.
    He has two sponsor’s exemptions left and still needs to make a lot of money
    to earn a card for next year.
    Otherwise he will have to go to the Web.com finals to try and qualify that
    Like yourself, i thought he would be a lot more CONSISTENT with that single
    path swing.

    1atomicgolf - July 25, 2016

    Hi Chip,
    I saw him interviewed at length about his swing evolution and his club
    design etc, he appeared to be an incredibly grounded and mature person
    generally, but of course that was before his big money hook up with
    Cobra/Puma, the other tragedy of course was Rich Beem, he was playing the
    house down with those Taylormade graphite irons and after the PGA major win
    succumbed to the big money from I think it was Callaway and he disappeared
    overnight…never to return.
    He was the player that Jack Nicklaus made that famous comment about..’Its
    amazing what people will do for money’.
    I would have thought that with the technical resources of Cobra that they
    would have in fact come up with at least as good if not better clubs as the
    Edel ones he was playing with , I hope its only a temporary hiccup, the
    world of Pro Golf needs his type of difference out there.
    cheers JH

Nat McIntosh - July 25, 2016

yes jh this agreat revelation for my golf swing,can’t wait to get back to
course as time is limited.this has really cleared some thing up.good days
to sir and thank you.

    1atomicgolf - July 26, 2016

    Your Welcome.
    Cheers JH

rtosborne3 - July 26, 2016

Thanks for all the great videos. Correct me if I’m wrong but the “Moe
Swing” you are teaching in this video has a lot in common with the one in
the “Short Controlled Acceleration Swing” video.

    1atomicgolf - July 26, 2016

    The emphasis of getting the club head really going into the ball at impact
    fast in a ‘hitting’ manner’ is in the ‘Short Controlled Acceleration Swing’
    …the difference being in Moe’s particle swing there is a definite
    ‘pulling’ with the lead hand to set the trail hand up for the last instance
    hammer action.
    In the S.C.A.S. swing there is more ‘specific’ emphasis on just shortening
    up the swing length and making a very concerted effort to fire the club
    head through the ball as fast as possible, but of course not with the
    lateral slide component and the right foot down at impact , but there is a
    ‘similar’ emphasis at and through the ball with the club head.
    cheers JH

rrasmussen32 - July 26, 2016

I took 3 Natural Golf schools. No instructor could break 80. “I asked” You
teach the essence of the great man’s swing. Thanks.

    1atomicgolf - July 27, 2016

    I dont know who your instructors were , at Todd Graves school his brother
    is a very well credentialed player and had a successful playing career,
    Todd himself played a bit on the mini tours as well, I think they can still
    play ok.
    I remember in the early days of the ‘Natural Golf’ promotion of Moe there
    were a lot of Schools around the place that had instructors that were
    probably not well credentialed as players , I know the original Instructor
    Scott Hazeldine was a former good Tour player , but I did hear a lot of the
    same comment as yours about some of the instructors , but I think when
    Natural Golf went bust and Todd Graves open his schools the instruction
    became much more professional.
    Todd can demonstrate Moe’s swing in a version of pretty high quality , as
    can his brother, his instructors today I would think would be high level
    expertise teachers because Todd is very discerning about the reputation of
    Moe’s swing and how it is demonstrated, he seems to be very busy these days
    which is usually a sign that he is providing a good quality of teaching.
    cheers Jh

maxxsee - July 26, 2016

Another important factor to why he hit it so straight is also because of
his setup and simple takeaway that made hitting top position easier than
traditional setups.

Nat McIntosh - July 26, 2016

golf swing genuis.left arm steers the motion and right side hinge fires it
though.atrue intint for a older guy who found golf latter in year playin
with the younger men off the long box .exellent jh .

    1atomicgolf - July 27, 2016

    Moe absolutely was a ‘genius’…. the lead with the ‘ lead hand/arm’ and
    hit with the ‘trail’ hand has been around forever , but the genius of Moe
    was the isolating the timing as he did to that last instant where you drop
    the pulling and apply the hitting is the ‘genius’ factor.
    cheers JH

Jim Siverts - July 30, 2016

What is the name of the book? I know you said the name of it in the other
video but I couldn’t understand it.

    1atomicgolf - July 30, 2016

    ‘Golf Reform Is At Hand’……its not a book with any great instructional
    value, it just gives some background of Moe and the Natural Golf company
    and Jack Kuykendall who brought Moe to prominence late in his life, there
    is some stuff that may be of interest but as an instructional info book it
    is not much value.
    cheers JH

TJ4FA - July 31, 2016

As a Moe Norman fan, I love your videos and your simple swing. In this
video, you are talking about the smash factor at impact.
In the link below to my photobucket album is a screen shot of Moe’s hand
action at impact from a video posted online I was able to capture at that
precise moment.
I tried to do it with your hand impact position but you were too far away
and the frames were too jumpy.
I hope the link works – http://s117.photobucket.com/user/jaynethecat/library/Golf

    TJ4FA - July 31, 2016

    1st link didn’t work.

    2nd try at the link to the photo moatimpact


    TJ4FA - July 31, 2016

    As you can see by the two frozen frames at Moe’s impact release point by
    looking at the stretch in his watch band, his left wrist is slightly bowed
    and right wrist bent backward and then goes to straight at impact. You can
    see at impact his wrist and watch band is now normal with no stretched

    1atomicgolf - August 1, 2016

    Moe would be in a stronger position than me because he has so much pull
    compared to me, I release the storage way earlier than Moe but I am now
    actually hitting more at impact because of picking up on the last instant
    intention, I the real evidence of Moe’s smas factor can be clearly seen in
    his small distance pitch shots and bunker shots, its way slower in speed
    but clearly the same intention factor and its way easier to see at the
    slower speed.
    Glad the videos are of interest to you.
    cheers JH

    TJ4FA - August 1, 2016

    I Dunno – your action looks pretty similar to Hogan and Moe moving into


    1atomicgolf - August 2, 2016

    You are very kind to compare me to Hogan, but I think any comparison of Me
    and anyone named Hogan would have to to ‘Paul Hogan’…not ‘Ben
    Hogan’…..my swing gets as many laughs as his jokes though, I have some
    stuff coming up tomorrow that may be of interest to you, I am applying
    ‘All’ the ‘Moe Particle’ components into one ‘Complete’ package, you might
    get a kick out of it.
    cheers JH

freddy - August 3, 2016

This looks interesting and I look forward to studying this series in
detail. My initial reaction is to be skeptical for the following reason.
Anything that you have to “time” in the split second of a downswing will be
subject to variation and error. You seem to say that the firing of the
right hand must be timed such that it is done when the club head is almost
to the ball. I cannot possibly see how anyone can control that unless they
are a freak with that natural ability. What are you doing that allows you
to time the right hand firing with such precision?
I ran into the same frustration with those who teach Hogan’s swing when
they said you have to roll your wrist from cocked back, to flat, to bowed
forward during the bottom half of the downswing. Sounds simple but darn
near impossible to time.

    1atomicgolf - August 3, 2016

    Hi Freddy,
    Clearly I dont time the last instant application of the right hand hammer
    action every time, but I ‘try’ to, its an ‘intention’ rather than a
    definite reality , I agree its tough to time the process I am advocating
    every time but if you stick at it you will have good success , as I said I
    definitely dont time every impact to the degree I want to but I do get
    enough of the intention most times to produce good results for me.
    Hogan actually had almost an identical external rotation of his right
    Humerus and the palm up forearm rotation coming down which gave him his
    acute ‘pitch’ right elbow look at hip height on the down swing.
    I understand the difficulty you experienced with the Hogan mechanics but
    like all the specific instructions on particular component applications you
    have to blend ‘all’ of them to suit your application capabilities, it
    always difficult to blend ‘parts’ of a swing together.
    cheers JH

    freddy - August 8, 2016

    I hate to be dense but could you break down what you are doing (or feeling)
    with the right arm and hand as part of the “hammer” motion? Just wondering
    if the hand is just being shoved at the ball or if there is some “rotation”
    involved. I.E. is there internal rotation of the upper arm similar to a
    sidearm baseball pitcher? Or are you just straightening your right elbow
    with the feeling of just pushing your right palm straight into the ground?
    And is the right hand grip a strong, weak, or somewhere in the middle

    1atomicgolf - August 19, 2016

    Hi Freddy,
    Missed this post from you until today, if you had a long hammer in your
    right hand and you wanted to hammer a nail perfectly straight into the ball
    just below its equator and just of center towards you how would you have to
    hold the hammer handle as a configuration of grip, just get a hammer in
    your hand and mimic the action you would need to drive the nail into the
    ball, that’s how you need to feel the delivery of the club head to the
    ball, what happens after impact is just velocity rotation taking effect
    with a proper golf club.
    cheers JH

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