40 thoughts on “Moe,s secrets no 1 Down The Line View

  1. Michael Saif says:

    More great stuff JH. This and the last video have helped a lot. I’m hitting
    the ball better more of the time and starting to figure more out about the
    swing. Love it. Thanks.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Guys like yourself that are well coordinated from a physical point of view
      because as is in your instance your high level soccer/football
      playing/association can adapt to things pretty quickly it would seem, its
      great that you can look at something in my vids and go out and apply as
      quickly as you do, that is so rare in golf swing learning, especially with
      Moe type mechanics, love your enthusiasm.
      regards JH.

    • Michael Saif says:

      +1atomicgolf It’s amazing the little things I have picked up from you that
      have helped. Throwing the club back, forward lateral move, left arm pulling
      the swing down. All have helped me a lot. I now I feel l know a lot more
      about what I should be doing on the practice tee and can see improvements.
      Thanks JH.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +dano11000 Never thought of it that way before but I suppose it has an
      element of the T Ball process when you come to think of it., you know its
      interesting you bring this up, years ago when I had my teaching
      facility/driving range I used to do some clinics hitting trick shots and
      other stuff and I actually used a 3ft tee to hit balls from, when I think
      back I had to use a ‘T Ball type action hitting off that tee, ok the ball
      in a normal golf swing is on the ground with irons and only in the air a
      bit with woods but I feel when doing the Moe swing that there is a strong
      element of the T Ball action in the swing.

    • dano11000 says:

      +dano11000 my club comes out over my right shoulder how can I get it across
      my right elbow or bicep like moe I notice yours is slightly lower again
      more thru the right elbow,,,seems I have to lower it and flatten it out
      ,,,can I email u the photo

  2. Lynn Carroll says:

    Great stuff. I’ve been trying to use Mo’s style and sometimes it works and
    sometimes not. This shows me why it doesn’t work. I’ve been so
    indoctrinated into the “normal” golf swing that I’ve been fighting myself.
    I didn’t know that you “throw” the swing back and aim the club end at the
    ball on the downswing.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Lynn Carroll Hi Lynn, as mentioned below in my replies to the other guys
      the video I will be doing this week will have some specific reference to
      the ‘back swing throwing’ aspect of Moe”s mechanics… the good thing is
      that I will be elaborating on how the ‘throwback’ if done correctly will
      set the butt end of the club at the ball automatically because of reactive
      loading mechanics of the ‘throwback’, I think it will be quite informative
      for everyone how in fact there can be an ‘automatic’
      loading/setting/delivery’ process for the club head.
      regards JH

  3. Edward Choi says:

    ball position at the setup seems a bit towards to the right foot. Can you
    show us a correct ball position?

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Edward Choi Hi Edward,
      For me ball position is a specific individual thing…it depends on how
      much you move forward during the down stroke or stay back, whether you have
      a steep attack angle or a shallow attack angle, I just advise players to
      hit shots until they impact the ball at the ‘bottom’ of ‘their’ swing arc,
      wherever that is should be where you position the ball.
      My ball position will look somewhat back most times because I never
      position my camera correctly at 90 degs to myself, and as well with the Moe
      setup I am into my back swing at address which looks like the ball is
      further back than it really is, but generally I don’t advocate a specific
      ball position, you will know when its right when you start hitting the ball
      consistently solid and with the correct divot depth for your swing type.
      regards JH.

  4. Chip Satterly says:

    Hi JH!
    Happy New Year from Wilson, N.C.
    I really enjoyed this dtl video and I’m learning a lot about Moe and your
    adaptation of his swing priciples for golfers who are trying to improve
    their games. I am just plain TIRED of NOT being able to STRIKE the ball
    properly.
    “Conventional” teaching and lessons have just left me incredibly
    INconsistent.

    A question today: You play the ball completely OUTside the toe of your
    club. Do you feel that this helps you EXTEND the arms to the ball? Tape on
    my club face shows that I consistently PULL my hands/clubface IN towards my
    body. I know this is a big problem. If I place the ball outside the club
    toe, I would probably miss the ball completely with my current swing.

    A recent video clip shows that I have the classic chicken wing action of my
    left arm with extremely poor strikes.
    Very frustrating.

    Many thanks!

    Chip

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +Chip Satterly Hi Chip,
      You know so many people over the years have asked me why I have the driver
      head inside the ball at address, and it wasn’t until someone actually
      mentioned it that I knew that I did it, clearly it had been an instinctive
      thing that came about because of the brain/body’s way of balancing
      requirement against individual body processes.
      What I mean there is that I clearly wanted to hit the ball in the center of
      the club face and because of my individual body balance requirements my
      brain worked out that because my arms had some slack in them at address
      that slack would be taken up by radial velocity and my arms would
      straighten and get longer at impact.
      Your admission of you probably missing the ball if you positioned the club
      head inside of the ball at address is very symptomatic of the resultant
      chicken wing you get through the ball now.
      The chicken wing is clearly an indicator you are pulling your arms/hands
      ‘into’ your body through impact , just try turning your left ( if you are
      right handed that is) hand/forearm ‘down’ towards the ground through impact
      with the left thumb sort of mimicking a sideways/downward hitchhiking
      action, when the left hand/forearm turn down in this manner it actually
      pushes the left elbow into the body and keeps it ‘down’ through impact, as
      apposed to the way it now moves up and away from the body through impact.
      Just try a few short 50 yard shots with a wedge and concentrate on keeping
      your shoulders closed through impact and rotate the left hand/forearm down
      towards the ground as hard as you can through the ball at the same time
      letting the club head release low and left ‘around’ your body, that will
      give you the feeling of the left elbow folding into the body after impact
      as apposed to it getting away and ‘up’ after impact.
      regards JH

    • Chip Satterly says:

      Thanks, JH. Maybe you could think about doing a Q/A type video with some
      demonstrations of some of your answers to reader questions.
      Meantime, I’ll be in the park across from my house tomorrow trying to get
      that “hitch hiker” L thumb going in a better position!
      Chip

  5. john Mule says:

    Some real gems in here. I go back quite a ways studying Moe’s technique.
    Beginning in 1991 when Tommy Tomasello let me view his extensive library of
    Moe’s clinics in Myrtle Beach. I’ve never heard Moe describe his back swing
    in this manner but I can see that is what he actually looked like he was
    doing. Of course some of his advice could be taken too literally as when he
    describes his “vertical drop”. I’ m quite sure he felt this is what he was
    doing (Harry Vardon also felt that his arms dropped vertically…) But in
    actuality this did not happen. He did indeed swing down tangentially as you
    say. My own teacher constantly reminds me to swing down diagonally towards
    the ball. Pretty much what you are saying John. You are also correct that
    when one drops the arms vertically, they trail the body so much that you
    are forced to flip it in order to catch up and make any sort of decent
    contact. Keep up the great work.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      +john Mule Hi John,
      Tom Tomasello… now there was a guy that knew how the traditional Golf
      swing should be applied, he was a great teacher/educator of golf Swing
      mechanics, and a great guy as well.
      Moe did extoll some things about his swing that you really shouldn’t take
      on board…like when he says he drives the club head ‘straight’ down the
      target line…he released the club head left of impact as much as anyone
      else ever did, the difference in ‘feel’ for Mooe that he did that was
      because of his lateral slide action, that made him feel as if the club head
      was being forced down the line further than normal which it clearly didn’t
      do as the video shot from directly above him shows graphically
      But as we all know ..’feel is never real’ in the Golf Swing…the other
      thing I think creates problems for people trying to learn Moe’s swing is
      his reference to the club head being extended 41 inches back along the
      ground on the back swing… he never remotely did that, in fact his
      ignition move in his Golf Swing was to pull his right elbow straight back
      around his rib cage as his backswing process, totally the ‘opposite’ of
      what he said he ‘did’.
      But none of that matters …as long as you don’t try to emulate those
      things when learning Moe’s mechanics.
      cheers Jh..

  6. Gerry Grabinski says:

    Good Morning JH,In this video it looks like your right elbow is close to
    your right rib on the backswing. Am I right? Secondly, you do “slide” on
    the downswing, right? Thanks

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Gerry,
      My right upper arms are not as extended as Moe Norm’s were so my right
      elbow gets closer to the rib cage earlier than Moe’s was, but my general
      swing thought is to just pull my right elbow straight back from the ball
      around my lower rib cage, fold the right arm as much as I can as early as I
      can on the backswing.
      I do slide laterally with the Moe swing but not as much as Moe himself did,
      the slide puts emphasis on the hips remaing facing the ball at impact as
      apposed to turning them away from the ball line at impact.
      cheers JH

  7. Jerry Wilson says:

    jh I’ve won tourneys and club championships with a moe action but am
    continually trying to improve. …you’re videos are awesome.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Jerry,
      Of course my videos of Moe are just the way I interpreted his swing and the
      way I could apply his type of swing mechanics to ‘myself’…..Moe clearly
      had a different look to his swing than anything I do but I think for us
      mere mortals we can improve our ball striking by incorporating the essence
      of his swing into our swings.
      How we apply the the ‘different bits’ to our swing is a personal thing
      because of physicalities and general differences etc. but overall I think
      any swing can be improved with Moe’s general swing mechanics….glad you
      get something from the videos.
      cheers JH

    • Jerry Wilson says:

      +1atomicgolf I took a lot of these tips straight to the course today and
      just hit lasers all over the place. I shot 70 and it would be been a 66 if
      I could putt! keep up the great work. cheers from Mt Vernon, Illinois.

    • Jerry Wilson says:

      +1atomicgolf I’m a big boy 6’2 250 lbs and I use a split grip so I do draw
      the ball a little. I just put a swing on YouTube Jabo does jh/moe Norman
      hybrid. take a look!

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Jerry,
      Thats a great swing, nice rhythm and flow, anytime you can shoot under par
      with any swing it has to be the one to the one to keep and cultivate, its
      good to see the swing in action, you clearly have put a lot of work into
      Moe mechanics yourself before, great wok.
      cheers JH.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      ‘Just Throw The Club Head Back There Somewhere…..never try to position
      it’… he clearly was trying to get across that the club had to position
      itself by pure inertia and momentum in order to achieve the ‘same’ position
      every time….if you try and ‘place’ the club you will position it
      differently every time.
      cheers JH

    • maxxsee says:

      +1atomicgolf Perfect, so important inside information. Only place in the
      world.Thanks so much!!
      ps. Maybe you should do a mini book about all the little things Moe said
      etc 😉
      I’d buy it atleast.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      My stance is always a bit closed, especially at impact , that’s because
      with my normal Moe type mechanics I want low hands/arms on the back swing
      to get me swinging ‘around’ my body..not above’ it.
      cheers JH

  8. Peter Molloy says:

    Enjoyed watching this video, I will try to not worry about the backswing
    the next time I practice

  9. phil makegs says:

    i have tried Moe’s way of hitting the ball and it works great,for a short
    while,then the swing just disintegrates.it is the different back swing as
    opposed to the “conventional” way of swinging that i have trouble with.i
    also don’t feel as relaxed either.i have adopted the swing Brian sparks is
    advocating,lifting the left heel in the back swing,lowering the swing plane
    and the same ball position for all clubs,in the middle of the stance. but
    each to their own…when all said and done its what happens at impact that
    counts!

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Hi Phil,
      Its ‘All’ about what works for ‘You’……we all have different physicality
      and comfort zones so you should always go with a swing type that gives you
      results that are acceptable and better than what you have been using before.
      The Brian Sparks method is certainly an easy on the body type of swing, I
      agree with what you say about impact…..providing the ball goes where you
      want it to ‘after’ impact.
      cheers JH

    • phil makegs says:

      +1atomicgolf having said that i just went out to the local driving range
      and tried the moe swing again,this time after i received a tip from kirk
      junge about leading wrist position,which should be flat…and i hit 90% of
      them dead straight! including the 3 wood which i normally have problems
      with.

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Kirk has done lot of stuff with Moe’s swing….he has a lot of very good
      tips and explains them well.
      cheers JH

    • 1atomicgolf says:

      Great place Tassie, haven’t been there for 30 years, keep telling myself to
      get over there again…I could live there no trouble, especially with the
      cost of real estate on the mainland now,.
      I nearly bought a house at Sandy Bay that was for sale at a crazy low price
      back then, the same house today would be worth at least 1.5 million, which
      is still a crazy low price compared to over here on the mainland ,the same
      type of house over here on the waterfront would be 4/5 million, I might see
      about a visit over there again soon.
      cheers JH

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