More Important Moe Bits no2


Thomas Thomast - August 10, 2016

I wish you could do the back flip in slow motion. i think it is the Hogan

    1atomicgolf - August 10, 2016

    I will do the ‘Back-flip’ action, in slow motion,there is certainly an
    element of what Hogan did but even more of a rearward action as a thought
    than his move.
    cheers JH

freddy - August 10, 2016

When you do the “back flip” do you feel like you use your right arm muscles
to deliberately roll (supinate) your right forearm so that the right wrist
points up to the sky? It seems to me it would have to be a deliberate
muscular action of the right arm since you said your left hand squeeze is a
“20” on a scale of 10. When I hold me left hand grip that firmly the club
wants to point to the sky during the swing.

    1atomicgolf - August 10, 2016

    The feeling is very deliberate…my right thumb wants to point down to the
    ground 90 degs to the ball target line if you can visualize that action.
    If you put your left arm straight out in front of your horizontal to the
    ground with no pressure in your hand and rotate it through its total radial
    range of motion then grip your fingers together as tight as you can and do
    the same you will find the range of motion is the same, forearm flexor
    muscles do not inhibit forearm range of motion, it will feel like it does
    but it doesn’t in actual fact.
    Grip pressure is a personal thing for sure, Moe gripped it very tight with
    his left hand, not everyone has to do that, it felt very different for me
    first up and felt inhibiting in terms of motion range but I got over that
    feeling quickly and it doesn’t effect me anymore, just try it for a while,
    you will be surprised how it comes on line.
    cheers JH

    freddy - August 10, 2016

    very helpful visualizations! thanks.

freddy - August 10, 2016

One more question, with this flatter than standard plane coming into the
ball, do you ideally need clubs with a flatter than standard lie angle? I
once heard that Hogan used clubs that were 6 or 7 degrees flat to
facilitate his swing. Not sure about Moe.

    1atomicgolf - August 10, 2016

    Moes clubs were actually more upright than standard to facilitate his high
    extended arms/ hands at address, the ‘back-flip/Under plane’ is not as
    severe as it feels and as you can see in any video of Moe coming into
    impact his hands/arms are still high and extended, you dont need flatter
    cheers JH

Jerry Wilson - August 10, 2016

jh I remember a moe disciple appearing on The Big Break and he said he
feels like he’s serving a tray of drinks on the way down….sounds like the
back flip move!

    1atomicgolf - August 10, 2016

    Hi Jerry, my feeling is that the drinks on the waiters tray would be
    sliding off the tray at angle backwards at 90 degs to the ball/target line.
    right thumb really trying to point backwards to the ground, heel pad of the
    right hand upwards and at the ball/target line, its a radical feeling for
    sure, and mostly it is way more feeling than actuality.
    Its not easy for sure and you will feel you are going to wipe the shot big
    time first up , but you must just remember to get the left hand/forearm
    rotating very hard coming into and through the ball, I rotate both hands
    and forearms very hard as soon as I start the downswing, and so did Moe
    contrary to popular belief.
    cheers JH

    Jerry Wilson - August 18, 2016

    +1atomicgolf I’m a scratch player but since consciously thinking of the
    back flip I simply haven’t missed a fairway in a week. Unbelievable
    straightness if you already have a Moe type swing. I can’t wait to bring
    home the club championship. Thank you so much for the help. Cheers from

freddy - August 11, 2016

JH, I think I found a good explanation about why what you call the “atomic
particle” works so well. In the below video starting about 4 minutes in,
Monte Scheinblum explains how deliberately firing the right hand
automatically causes the body to speed up the right arm such that shaft
lean at impact is maintained.
(at 6:28 his pitch shot looks very similar to your pitch shots with the

    1atomicgolf - August 13, 2016

    Hi Freddy,
    Monte is a very good coach, fantastic simple clearly explained information
    and he has IMO the best swing of any You Tube coach by far, his explanation
    relative to the point you highlight is absolutely correct, I have never
    seen Monte give out any advice that I didn’t agree with, he knows his
    stuff, and can demonstrate it as well.
    cheers JH

freddy - August 15, 2016

JH, how doable is this swing if you have very limited grip strength
particularly in the lead hand? I have a permanent injury to my index finger
on my lead hand and I cannot squeeze the grip very hard. Because of this,
in order to avoid casting the club into the ground which is my repeating
nemesis, I have had to adopt a more vertical swing with hands up high at
the top of the back swing. It seems to me you need a good amount of grip
strength to pull off flatter planed golf swings.

    1atomicgolf - August 15, 2016

    Hi Freddy,
    You dont ‘need’ Moe’s super tight grip pressure..you only need enough to
    create the lead pulling action.. the simplest way to do that is completely
    soften the right hand grip at address to virtually zero and keep it that
    way until right at impact, that will enable even a weak left hand grip to
    be able to pull in the downswing, just kill the right hand pressure to the
    extent the left has more..no matter what level of ‘more’ that is.
    cheers JH.

freddy - August 16, 2016

JH, do you have any wrist angle between your left arm and the club shaft at
address or are you trying to hold them in a straight line like Moe?

Also, at address you look like your head is back over the right knee. Is
that head location at address important? It looks like your head position
combined with teeing the ball way forward gives you a shoulder tilt of at
least 3 or 4 inches and a spine that is tilted noticeably to the right
instead of straight forward over the ball as in a more traditional swing.

    1atomicgolf - August 16, 2016

    Hi Freddy,
    I dont have the straight line relationship of my left arm and club shaft as
    Moe does, that’s just my personal application, because I want to set up in
    a closed position at address and be in that position at impact I set my
    head back to pre program that, if you look at Moe he has a lot of spine
    tilt to the right coming into and at impact, if I’ could’ keep my head back
    over my right knee at impact like Moe I would be very happy.
    cheers JH

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