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jh. im hitting it longer and straighter using count yogi. but by the sound
of it this is better. can you tell me the difference between the count yogi
and this one. im willing to try this one only if you say its better than
yogi. if theres a better swing i want to see it. i cant wait to try it out.
cheers lea
Hi Lee,
For me the difference with this new process is the ease of applying the
mechanical structure….to be able to get the trail hand/arm doing the same
thing coming into impact every time with very little timing differential is
the big benefit.
As well being able to generate power in the swing from a very small range
of motion will always be a big advantage because the club head travel
simply doesn’t have a lot of distance to travel whilst trying to be on an
accurate repeatable arc of delivery.
I cant tell you much about the actual mechanics structure yet because I
haven’t worked out how best to explain what you need to do with the
mechanics, I will get more understanding of the mechanics and how to apply
them to other players as soon as I can.
I dont want to suggest a lot of stuff to early without fully understanding
the best way to teach the process to players…. I just know even where it
is now in its very early stage it is without question the way to swing a
Golf Club, and when I get some of Lee Comeaux’s intrinsic information to
add to what I am doing now it should end up being something very special,
even in the rudimentary form I have it now it is far and away the best
mechanics I have ever applied in a Golf Swing.
The other advantage over Count Yogi’s mechanics is that you dont have to
swing the club through a big arc of movement so the timing is always going
to be way more consistent.
cheers JH
Pushed the wrong key for your first name…apologies
cheers JH.
Looks and sounds great JH. Thanks for uploading.
Hi Rohan,
I truly believe this is the breakthrough I have looked for all my golfing
life…. its just such an amazing feeling to know you are not going to hit
different type ball flight shots… this swing just repeats itself which I
never thought was really possible unless you could implement Moe Normans
mechanics the way he did, but frankly these mechanics are so much easier
than Moe’s or any other mechanics by far, I really believe you and other
players can swing like this.
cheers JH
am excited for you JH. Swing makes a lot of sense, can’t wait to try it out
in the morning!
Hi Alex,
Being someone who has tried just about everything its so good to find
something that really works all the time with very little thought
processing.
cheers JH
all sounds pretty exciting . cant wait to have a bit of a lay with it. this
must be pretty awesome. you sound really enthusiastic on the video. thanks
again.
It is very exciting for me…to find something that truly does’repeat’ is
quite something.
cheers JH
Hi, JH! I haven’t played for a while for health reasons, but this reminds
me of a “go-to” swing I used to adopt when I was feeling the pressure. I
felt like I glued my right elbow to my right hip, and then did everything
with a solid pivot – and I felt like I couldn’t miss. The only problem I
had was that when I really tried to hit it long, I often left it out to the
right with my driver. Could this have been due to shaft? My irons all had
TT Dynamic gold S300 shafts, but my driver had a regular shaft. Or maybe it
was the lie angle? Do you feel that you could do with slightly flatter lies
on your clubs with this swing? Cheers JH. This is great stuff!
Hi Terry,
I think with the driver its just the level of actual commitment to the
trail arm staying in the same address position as you have with the
irons…any stretching out for the ball with the trail arm at address
compromises the ability to drive the trail shoulder quadrant as hard as you
need for the driver in the pivot.
I probably will try somewhat flatter lies with my irons going forward … I
dont think its a big issue overall… for me softer shafts in the driver
only effect ball height and spin ….not direction…but that’s a personal
thing and it wouldnt hurt to try a firmer shaft in the driver if you
can…but overall I think its commitment to the same trail arm positioning
with the driver as with the irons, as I said in the video my driver swing
setup is exactly the same as my wedge setup with my trail arm positioning.
cheers Jh
Do you alter your ball position much? Keep up the great videos.
Hi Brian,
I am not a ball position ‘specific’ person ever with any of my swings… I
just position the ball to suit my arms/hands positioning at address and my
overall body balance at address…when my balance is right and my arms are
in their natural position the ball position ends up being where it is,
where ever that may be.
cheers JH
JH, names Joe, I’ve been really sinking into this as well. I’ve been
communicating with Lee a bit and really enjoy our back and forth on email.
This isn’t his terminology but I use his thoughts on the right shoulder and
left foot to see as an axis. He may have called that as well. A video I
watched by Tom, I believe is a friend of Lee is great. He talks bout
letting the club fall and then fire. I’m like you, I’ve hit limited balls
but I’ve never felt extension through and past the ball like this. Every
swing feels better. I wait to mess it up and never happens.
Hi Joe,
I like you have used Lee’s process to get a method to work for me with a
derivation that I can apply within my own physical restraints and
capabilities, going forward I hope with Lee’s help and direction I can get
more of his ‘actual’ swing mechanics into my overall swing process.
I have seen Tom’s explanation … the bit about hitting the ‘outside’ of
the ball with the ‘sweetspot’ of the club is very interesting… I have
done that all my life on my short pitch/chip shots but not my full shots.
You saying you have waited for it to mess up and it hasn’t happened yet is
how I have been feeling for 3 days …. but frankly now I am convinced the
swing will not ‘mess up’ going forward because it really ‘cant’ because of
the fail safe mechanics in play.
Tom seems to hit the ball great as well, he and Lee must have some good fun
practice sessions putting flat sides on golf balls with their impact
compression.
cheers JH
You are amazing JH in your constant search for the best way to strike a
golf ball…and your enthusiasm just proves the love that you have for the
game. As I watch you with this swing, the impact position reveals why the
strike is so pure. IMHO you are using your body mass/weight during impact
and imparting that energy to the ball (much like David Lee talks about in
his Gravity Golf (GG) system). You accomplish this by keeping that right
arm back and using your the pivot of your body to contact the ball.
Although the GG swing teaches that you get your arms away from your on the
backswing and let gravity (and something they call the “counterfall” during
the through-swing) take care of the rest, then all you have to do is turn
through the shot. On one of his videos, David talks about a conversation
with Lee Trevino where Lee says “if my club is moving 106 mph, I want my
body moving 107 mph.” So that your using your whole mass onto the ball at
impact. Anyway JH, thanks for all you do! Cheers.
I definitely am feeling the mass of the right shoulder quadrant pushing
into the right arm/hand coming into impact…. no small hands component
feeling hitting at the ball at all, the hands are very passive as a feel ,
I guess its a ‘Gravity Golf’ type mass application from a low hands
position at the top of the swing .
I am definitely ‘pushing’ with my trail side body components into my ‘trail
arm/hand with no conscious thought of ever applying the the hand/arm
independently of the trail side body components.
Trevino did it amazingly well, I feel like he ‘looks’ in some of his pre
impact pictures..
cheers JH
Does holding back the right elbow with the right hip give you the feeling
of tensioning your upper back (on the left side) in the downswing? I’ve
tried something similar before and got it to work for a week or so then I
lost it. When it was working it felt like I was getting the power from a
tensioned left upper back that stayed tight all the way to the ball.
Or to put it more simply, does this swing feel like you’re hitting with the
right side and not pulling with the left? or vice versa?
Hi Freddy,
The feeling is absolutely of a push/drive at the ball with my trail
shoulder …. I really am feeling no pull from the lead side at all
consciously …the staying in vertical position of the upper arm coming
down to impact is a big key in helping the right shoulder quadrant push the
arm to the ball, I actually feel as if my right elbow is actually behind my
lower right rib cage coming into impact , the elbow never goes past the
right rib cage as a feeling coming into impact and beyond.
Its a very different feel to anything I have ever felt and expolaining it
going forward is the challenge.
cheers JH
https://youtu.be/0Y8xxVQ339E
Can you give any thoughts? Are you pushing down the line or out?
1atomicgolf thanks, the swing is feeling pretty good. But I’m hitting about
a 10 yard fade. Every shot. I used to draw the ball when I played well. It
is a good flight but doesn’t fit my eye. Can’t draw or hit a straight ball,
but when I bicep curl, then commit to the action it’s pure and simple.
Hi Joe,
When you Bicep curl dont let the club face open… keep it looking at the
ball …it will feel ‘closed’ but it will just be square because you have
been taking it back ‘open’ … and remember you have to fire the trail hand
down and over the ball at impact… the other thing is to not slide much
coming into the ball…. the action is a pure rotational action with the
trail shoulder quadrant just rotating around the spine.
cheers JH
1atomicgolf thanks, I can see these happening. I also saw the gap between
my right arm and right side.
Thanks and God bless
Hi Joe,
Had a look at your swing on You Tube… its got some good potential… for
a bigger guy you have nice mobility and flow… you just need to keep
things moving at address so you can flow the club head away in the back
swing… its tough to do that when the club head is stopped and still, all
in all you can build on what you have and end up with a pretty good golf
swing.
cheers JH
1atomicgolf thanks, JH. Headed off to church, you guys have a great day.
Great video and thank you for sharing it with us, I will try this out this
weekend. My home course is always windy aswell lol. Scratching my head how
this works with driver though
Its really surprising how well the driver works when you get the trail arm
set close to the body as you would with an iron, the secret is not
‘reaching’ for the ball with the trail arm at address which disconnects the
trail arm from the rib cage and its position of being inline with the rib
cage at the same vertical inclination ratio.
I have to tell you I am getting amazing ball flight with the driver ….
and as I said in the video the swing feels exactly like my wedge swing…
ok its way easier for me to keep my trail arm locked into a compact
position with the driver because I have a compact driver swing normally
than it will be for players with longer swings but it can be done .
When I get more description info the process will become more
understandable for everyone… but I can assure you you will not give up
distance with the shorter duration of movement this swing creates because
the pressure level is way higher at impact.
cheers JH
that’s amazing thanks for the reply and look forward to your videos down
the line.
If wind is a problem where you play this swing will be a godsend… the
last 3 days have been incredibly windy and it didn’t effect my ball flight
hardly at all.
cheers Jh
Just a quick question after practicing this swing in the house is that
after focusing to push the right shoulder towards the ball on the down
swing I’ve noticed a tendency to topple forward a little bit. Did you have
such issues or is this just me lol
As in all Golf Swings the the buttocks area of the body must apply a
counterbalancing effect to the upper body components during the down
swing… just feel as if you are pushing your buttocks away from the ball
as you are firing the trail shoulder quadrant out to the ball … weight on
the heels is a good way to get the feeling.
Because I just naturally counterbalance in my Golf Swing I haven’t
experienced what you are experiencing … you probably will find your body
will react itself going forward and make the nessessary balance adjustments
required… it will just take a short while to happen.
cheers JH
J.H. check out this explanation of Lee’s swing
http://www.tutelman.com/golf/swing/leecommotion1.php
Very interesting ! ! !
Bill
Hi Bill,
I have seen the Tuttleman’s opinion before on Lee’s swing and others…he
might have been a good general engineer in his working life but he
certainly is not someone who really understands what the body is doing in a
Golf Swing …he makes a lot of personal assessments of swings which really
have no standing in anatomical or bio-mechanical reality.
If you are going to put yourself forward as an ‘expert’ in evaluating the
Golf Swing you should be familiar with the correct description
terminologies for the anatomy of the body and the actual components
required to be used in the swing model he is describing.
I am sure in his specialist field of engineering he would not use
terminology that was clearly not representative of what was supposed to be
the component s in question and their specific required application of said
components.
I think its just sloppy to refer to something like a ‘Ten Finger’ grip…
who has 10 fingers…or continually referring to the dominant hand/arm as
the ‘right’ arm…. clearly a ‘left handed’ person does not have a dominant
right hand/arm, the correct description has to be ‘trail’ hand/arm and
‘Lead’ hand/arm …. you never evaluate a Golf Swing relative to its merit
mechanics based only on a ‘Right Handed’ model… sure Lee is right handed
but not everyone reading Tuttleman’s assessment is.
The article is like all of Dave’s assessments … it shows he really is an
‘engineer’ and not a Golf Swing Analyst … I am not knocking him as such
but he does come across as thinking he is the all encompassing authority on
Golf Swing Dynamics … when clearly he cannot see what a player is
actually doing in his swing …. if he actually saw how the body in fact
prepares itself for something like the down swing for example he would be
shocked at which muscle groups instigate themselves first for the
process…. and they are not the muscles he thinks are the instigators.
I guess I have a bee in my bonnet about Dave because he has gone into so
much detail over the years about golf swings based purely on his
engineering theories… which are really not relative to a human body…
there are no ‘fixed pivot points or fulcrums in a human body ever at any
time, .. all body components are always in a state of motion and balance/re
balance …. the human body’s external components are not part of a
‘closed’ system…they are part of an ‘open’ system.
To try to explain Lee’s swing in terms of absolute’s and specifics of
motions and dynamics is an exercise in futility … you have to look and
‘see’ what he is doing from a motion dynamics understanding in a way that
can be visually/physically replicated as reasonable comparable facsimile
… his swing is not about its ‘pieces’….its about the “whole’ of the
motion/dynamics.
Long reply but I think its important not to try to break lee’s motion down
to general diagrams and specifications but to understand ‘his’ feelings and
thoughts about ‘how’ he swings the club, and that is what I am hoping he
will do for me.
cheers Jh
thx for sharing, I love the detour part u mentioned in the 1st video…
For a guy that hasn t played in 25 years the Detour sound like where i m
now, coming from a 6 hdc and having a 23 at the moment.
I m trying everything, but most things last a couple if days , then back in
the woods :)))
from the explanations it feels almost like the righr elbow has to kind of
find a place where to stop and release on the downswing and not crossing
tha ‘place’…This would be my challenge to find that place.
keep up the good work.
cheers from Victoria
Hi Edoardo,
I really have to get myself up to speed in explaining this process more in
depth, the perception you have picked up from my video is that the trail
elbow has to release at some stage of the downswing… in fact I never want
it to release ever, it never moves at all from where I set it at address to
when I finish the swing, if I could glue it to my trail side above my trail
hip I would…. that is the ‘feeling’ I want right through the swing.
So clearly I need to get some explanation visuals going right away for you
guys…. the process is difficult to understand from the limited
explanations I have given to date and your uptake is a perfect example of
the urgency to get the explanations to be more easily understood… which I
absolutely will do.
This Swing process Edoardo I can almost guarantee will rip that 23 hdcp to
shreds when you understand it because its the same swing process for every
club and shot you will ever have.
cheers Jh
JH, it looks like you’re using your right humerus bone as a dynamic axis of
rotation, allowing the radius bone to go out and away from you for the push
slap. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and enthusiasm.
Hi Steve,
Its hard to explain what I am actually doing, if you can imagine the trail
upper arm being positioned in as vertical a plane as possible and in line
with the trail side outside rib cage and it never changing that station for
the entire swing as a ‘feeling’ …Ok it may move outwards towards the ball
but it never moves away from the original vertical inline position it had
at address for the downswing …the trail arm can straighten but it cannot
change its original address position of proximity to the trail side of the
body and the plane angle it had at address.
Its really tough to explain but I will come up with some visuals on the
next video that I think will make things clearer.
cheers Jh
I just been at the golf course and played 18 holes.
It’s astonishing. It’s mind blowing. It’s easier to do than explaining it.
What I found easy to do is that you can really feel that right elbow glued
to your hip on the downswing and I kept on focusing on that.
I hit around 200 balls or more. Amazing how short the swing is and how
effective.
Atomic is a good definition for this swing!!!!!
The sound is like a karate move. Like the sound of whip stroke.
I hit one of the longest drives of my life.
and def the longest 9 iron I ever hit. think it went 145 mt although the
wind was on it, but that s like the distance tiger woods hit a 9 i.
I advise anyone who ll try this method to use the right clubs because on
that hole I usually use a 7i.
Cheers JH
Thank You.
Hi Edoardo,
You will only get better when I can give you more explanation of the
process…. you are experiencing the same results as I have had in that I
didn’t lose any distance but in fact picked up some extra distance..
The other big payoff will be with your short wedge pitch shots… the
quality of strike you will achieve will really surprise you….
I believe this process is the most exciting thing I have ever been exposed
to in the learning of the Golf Swing….
cheers JH
I reckon that with this swing you ll be able to start playing golf and stop
thinking golf.
Reminds me of that story (which was true) of Moe hitting the hydro wire
stretched out across the first fairway 75 yards down at Uplands. 2-3 times
out of 10.
For most of us it’s just a dream. but with the right swing that works for
your body posture anything is possible.
I will wait for your visual explanation. In slow motion the swing looks
perfect to me. The fluid flow, triangle, balance and finish. Thank you for
your fast response.
hi
Do you lift up the club with your right arm ?
Is any of your fingers (right hand) in play i mean more powerful?
Like the swing can go back to anything now
Thanks
Hi Anders,
Definitely lift the club with the right arm (Trail Arm)….the lift comes
about because I want to bicep curl my trail arm to its maximum in the back
swing and getting a feeling of an early lifting with the trail hand/arm
does that more easily.
I have again a definite application of the trail hand little finger in the
lifting action…. and the other ring and middle finger are very much in
the action as well…when you say ‘more powerful’ if you are meaning the
grip is stronger in the trail hand by being turned more to the right at
address ..that is not the case… the grip with both hands is quite neutral.
If you mean are the fingers quite ‘active’ in the lift and strike and the
club held more in the fingers than normal I would say they are not ..other
than the little finger feeling the lift more than the others.
For me personally I feel the forearm of the right arm just fold up on the
back swing against the wrist hinge loading.
cheers JH
JH> I notice that your pre-swing motion is entirely different than your
actual swing. Can you please explain that.
Hi Ken,
You are absolutely correct… the practice swing is my ‘intention’…
however I dont have a mental program for that action in an actual golf
swing..yet…..what I am doing in the practice swing is where I want to end
up at the end of the day.
Because I have always been an ‘extender’ in the back swing all my life its
so hard to purge that program from my brain… give me another week and I
will get a lot closer than I am right now, I want to have that super folded
trail arm that Lee Comeaux gets… or at least something resembling it.
Even though I am not getting anywhere near what I do in my practice swing I
am clearly doing something of a mini version of it because my striking is
so good with just what I am doing now.
cheers JH
its what they call staying connected. ever seen someone practice with a
towel or head cover under the armpit?
Hi Tom, Not remotely like that, you can have a towel/headcover under your
armpit and still pitch your trail elbow forward of your trail outside rib
cage… I am advocating never moving the trail elbow forward of its address
position …the connection point is at the elbow joint not the
armpit…totally different swing process.
cheers JH
Atomic Golf…love it!
Glad you like it.
cheers JH