Posted by on April 27, 2017 in Davinci Code Golf
Good stuff, JH.
When that jet went over it made me think of a video of a seminar Wild Bill did. Some basic similarities with DaVinci too, in his hip rotation (non=linear) and “wood chopping” action with the club.
JH and others,
As soon as you get a chance take a look at David Duval’ s recent 30 minute show on the Golf Channel. Incredibly important stuff on how he learned to keep his driver from going left. It is beautiful because it is so counter-intuitive. It fits really well with what you are working on. In fact, to me it appears to be just another way of saying the same thing. To me it feels like I’m intentionally doing the opposite of traditional golf instruction – a casting and over the top (with the arms) motion.
David Duval had more secondary tilt at impact and beyond than anyone who has ever played the game… to me he absolutely tried to keep his lead shoulder closed at impact and moving away from the target …he almost looks as if he was pulling the tip of his lead shoulder back towards his head …. and the resultant extreme lean back he had post impact could not have happened if he was directing his through impact forces in a conventional lead shoulder clearing process post impact .
Lee Comeaux sent me this video of David Duval…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot2qngWm2_U&feature=youtu.be..
He saw something in Duval’s swing of a different nature which is why he sent me the video … but it was opportune to look at Duval’s general action and it is quite clear that he tries hard to not let the lead shoulder tip rotate away from the target line.
JH, your closing of the front shoulder have simularities to Jim Venetos’ – “pivoting into the left side”…..?
I guess all I am trying to do is restrict the the turning of the lead side of the target line to early… if I can keep the lead shoulder in place as a buttress for the hands to to be able to hit as much into out and up as they can the fuller the release of the hands/wrists will be.
I’m having trouble with the idea of restricting the left shoulder. I recall Bobby Jones saying he never wanted to lose the tension up the left side. For most of the years I’ve been playing, the only way I’ve been able to get good contact on the ball with my weak grip strength, wrists and forearms is to quickly move my left shoulder high and back as fast as I can during the early part of the downswing while holding back the right shoulder. It keeps my left side in tension and it’s what keeps me from hitting fat shots when I’m hitting at my best. It seems to me if I did the opposite (the feeling of pinching the shoulders together in front of me) then my right side/arm would have to be totally in control of the location of the bottom of my swing and the trajectory of the club head into the ball and ground. Is that what you feel? that the right side defines the bottom of your arc/divot and the angle of descent?
Think of it this way.. the more the lead shoulder moves away before impact the more the trail shoulder moves forward and brings the fulcrum/pivot point of the trail arm forward with it which means the trail arm has lost its anchor point to hit ‘away’ from.
I believe Moe Norman did just this as a feeling in his swing…he could do it easier because he was sliding laterally with his shoulder girdle and entire body… I guess the overall feeling for me is that of the shoulders just pivoting vertically on a pin through my sternum … its hard to explain at this stage but I will work something out as an explanation visually in the next videos .
I started to use a grip without thumbs on the club like a baseball player holding a bat or in my case a hockey player holding a hockey stick and I get better results.
I used to play with a guy that gripped the club like that… he absolutely killed the ball and was super straight…. the thumb on the lead hand invariably is used to support the club at the top of the swing and used in a long or short thumb configuration can control the length of the club head travel, the thumb on the trail hand plays little part in the grip for people like Nicklaus/ Daly/Singh/couples …. Jack and Daly have the trail thumb just floating in the air at the top of their swings.
So I think if you get better results with a ‘no thumbs’ grip go with it… if you have a shortish back swing it will allow the club to move through a bigger range of movement because the lead thumb will not be restricting the wrist cocking as much on the back swing.
1atomicgolf only in golf is the thumb used, not in tennis, hockey, baseball, etc.
This is very exciting! I’ve been looking for a way to get more “bang for the buck” as I get older and continue to recover from heart surgery. I’m also a big guy and the conventional swing is difficult. I would love to hear your suggestions on equipment to complement this action, such as lie angle, weight, grip size and so on. Happy New Year. All the best–John P.
Without seeing you in your address position I cant suggest any lie specs etc… and again depending on your strength and swing speed even after your heart surgery I cant recommend any real shaft specs.
From my own perspective I have found that since switching to the Taylormade M2 irons with the ‘A’ flex graphite shaft the extra flex loading and lightness of the shaft gives me more distance and accuracy… the crazy thing is even when Pro’s or other strong hitters try my clubs they hit them way better than their own clubs.
Grip size is very much a personal thing and depends on your hand size and the type of grip you use …if you use a split grip you will probably need thicker grips etc.
I absolutely believe the compactness of the Davinci Code swing would certainly be a plus for anyone who is looking to take some strain off their swing which could be caused by a longer swing.
JH, have you seen Karl Vilips play yet? if you have what do you think?
I haven’t seen him in the flesh… only of late on you tube…. now that he has grown a bit has developed a lot more strength and flexibility and his general swing now looks very Rory like…he has some impressive results and clearly if he continues to improve he will no doubt be a good player,
I dont get to excited about Amateur players because there have been so many that have had periods of impressive results but failed to go on and be a force in Pro Golf, another Australian Nick Flanagan is a perfect example… he won the US amateur in 2003 and just about everything else in Amateur golf but did absolutely nothing in Pro Golf…. with the exception of Tiger there has not been any superstar Amateur golfer that has gone on to be great in the Pro ranks.
Of course Bobby Jones was the greatest Amateur to play in the Pro ranks but Pro golf back then wasn’t what it is today, the fields didn’t have the enormous depth of talent that is prevalent today and the amount of different winners in the course of a year.
The kid obviously has some ability …. will he be another Tiger…. some people say he is as good as Tiger was at his current age…some say better … only time will tell, but as of today he certainly swings the club great.
I’ve been looking at the advantages of the Da Vinci code swing and there are lots if you can get a bent left arm in the backswing. Not so much if you have a straighter left arm for both biomechanical and physics (power) reasons.
1.Bent left arm creates a bigger lever between the elbow joint to the clubhead.
2.Bent left arm means you don’t have to turn hips/shoulders very much (rotation is NOT the main source of power in the golf swing, your fast twitch ii muscles in the arms create most of the power using extension and pronation).
3.Bent left arm and limited rotation means less weight shift – more balance stability
4.Bent left arm means you can maximise the cocking of the right elbow in the backswing which brings the whole arm/club unit closer to your centre of rotation -‘Moment of Inertia’ less, but also lifts the COG of arm/club unit higher (increase in potential energy).
I wont’ include the downswing advantages as my explanation would be too long but the merits over the conventional golf swing is becoming more and more convincing . I can explain why I think there is more power in the swing but imho its not the unhinging/firing of the right wrist (at the right time) because that will only add a few more yards.
In any type of golf swing a bent lead arm at the elbow joint on the back swing will increase power because a 3rd lever has been introduced….as well by bending the lead arm the club head can get further back towards the target at the top of the swing which means it is further away from the ball than it was at address with a straight lead arm in most cases….ok if you are really flexible in your shoulder joints you can take the club head straight up high with a straight lead arm and you will get a distance of X from the ground address position to the .op of the swing position but it will invariably only be greater than the bent lead arm distance if the player is very flexible and strong.
There is absolutely no question in my mind that a bent lead arm is far better at creating more speed and power in a golf swing.
Your point about the the firing of the trail wrist hinge as minimal in producing extra speed I think can be shown to be flawed somewhat it real bio mechanical application… if you just take your normal address position ans swing say an 8 iron back to only waist high and then swing the club back to the ball holding your trail wrist in a fixed position at impact you will develop ‘some’ speed clearly… but if you do exactly the same length of swing and think about firing your trail fingers past your lead forearm at impact in that abbreviated length swing you will clearly see how much quicker the club head moves.
The reason people have the opinion you do is because they really haven’t fired the trail hand and throw released the club head to the extent I am advocating…. I know that when you feel the absolute total release of the trail wrist hinge in a throwaway manner you will be amazed at how much more speed/power is available from the action.
Why most people do not get the increased speed/power from such an action is because they travel the forearms to much laterally whilst trying to release the wrist hinge… you absolutely have to keep the forearms back whilst the wrist hinge releases ‘past’ the forearms as a feeling…. the more you can stabilize the forearms just before impact the faster the wrist hinge will release.
Hi JH – Yes , I agree with your scenario about the 8 iron but there is another scenario. If you swung your club down slowly to a ‘release’ start point (left arm is approx 60 degrees to vertical , left wrist cocked, right wrist hinged) and then just let the ‘law of the flail ‘ take over, the clubhead will start to speed up . If you then tried to do an active unhinge of the right wrist while g-forces are happening , it won’t speed up the clubhead that much. It would be akin to trying to push a kid on a swing while its in the downswing phase (if you get what I mean). I think there is a saying in golf that you can’t swing a golf club faster than it can swing.
However , Jack Kuykendall has worked out that you can increase speed if you actively extend/rotate your forearms/triceps at about 0.05 secs before impact and probably adding to the ‘flail’ at just the right time. So theoretically , it can be done but it must be timed perfectly (just like anything in the golf swing).
Are you going to play actual golf with this swing, or it’s only something to “practice” and thinker on the range ?
Not only will ‘I’ play with the swing I hope millions of other golfers do as well… the swing mechanics are what I have been looking for all my life… I am progressing at a rate of development that will ensure the swing is foolproof once I take it into full time play.
The swing is not a ‘bits’ swing cure application…. it requires a total commitment to the ‘complete’ set of mechanics which are still clearly in the evolution phase …. I am not ‘tinkering’ with the mechanics of the Davinci Code swing… I am ‘Evolving’ them…