Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Pitching & Chipping
Have you tried this same setup with full shots? It works quite well.
+Thomas Slagle I use the right leg rotation and foot flare absolutely on
all shots now.
+1atomicgolf Can’t wait to try this one JH. That holding position is kind
of like what Phil Mickleson called his “hinge and hold” pitch shot. I was
having so much trouble with my pitching that I bought a used left handed
club and tried that, then somebody suggested that I try cross-handed and
it’s worked well…It almost puts my hands in that kind of position without
even trying but it’s difficult on longer pitches. Thanks again JH. I’ve
reluctantly passed your YT page to a couple of my golfing buddies, lol!
Like you, I love this game and I want my golfing friends to enjoy it.
+Birdie Gof Doing a video today with more intrinsic detail of the new
pitching method, I think it will give you even more performance gains.
Hi JH – So is this method more reliable than the Count Yogi ‘clubsy’
method? The method you are demonstrating is similar to Shawn Clement except
at address he positions the sternum notch slightly in front of the ball .
He says that the centre of the swing is the ‘Sternum Notch’ and therefore
needs to be either on top or a little ahead of the ball to get proper ball
, grass turf crisp contact.
+P SMITH Hi Keith, I think this method is far easier to get consistent
timing of impact rather than the Yogi ‘handsy” type action, anytime you
break your wrists on a shortish shot you have to get the wrists back into
alignment at impact over a fairly short duration of time and distance.
This new method virtually takes all the hands/club head timing timing
requirement out of the shot because the hands/ club head don’t move by way
of any wrist cocking as a power producing mechanism , once the club face is
set in position it stays there because the lead shoulder rock ing is the
power producer not the wrist cocking, I am going to do a more in depth
explanation of the process tomorrow so stay tuned.
+1atomicgolf Hi JH – Yes , understand the logic of what you say but by
locking the wrists aren’t we limiting degrees of movement in the golf swing
which might creep into the long game? I’ve always thought to gain a level
of consistency for all golf strokes we should strive for natural freedom of
movement. Trying to restrict with the wrists means that the way we pace our
golf swing will be different for the short game vs long game, So although
the firming of the wrists through impact might have a short term benefit
for our short game , won’t it tend to creep into other aspects of our game
where we need more wrist break release?
+P SMITH Hi Keith, ,
I really believe as much as we like to think the whole of the Golf swing
has has an intrinsic thread that must be used if we are to achieve a
‘total’ consistency throughout the entire process of the Golf swing it
really doesn’t apply, no greater player than Sam Snead said he had ‘two’
swings…. one for the woods…. and one for the irons, simply because they
were different requirements of ball control.
I have a similar outlook but more relative to the critical ‘accuracy’ part
of the game which is usually from 40-60 yards from the pin, and because
that type of distance doesn’t require really any multiple hinges to create
power/speed I believe we can and should have a different swing mechanism
for that part of the scoring requirement.
The reality for most players is that the brain will override the short
distance accuracy swing process when longer power requirements present
themselves because of its familiarity programming of those shots by way of
the general majority of swings used for that purpose normally.
The cerebral directive programming that the brain has for body
components/segments that are moved through longer phases of travel and
increased torque level loadings that are inherent in longer distance shot
requirements will apply itself as a matter of course and not be confused
with a low torque loading short range of motion shot requirement. as used
for the pitch action in question.
Simply put to try and swing through a range of motion the likes of which
would be required for longer/full shots with the clearly restricted body
structure of the arms/hand/wrists used in the pitching action we are
talking about would just be to physically foreign to the brain in terms of
getting the body segments/components to produce power in that particular
I can only speak for myself but I absolutely have no conflicting body feel
preferences when I go from the pitching method to the full flow of the
bigger swing, I guess I just know I cant hit any distance with the
restricted pitching configuration so I have full mental release of that
process when I require the longer distance swing power availability.
+1atomicgolf Many thanks JH
this made me realize my triangle was breaking down in my full and pitch
swing, only missed 3greens and 2fairways yesterday, thnx so much man
+Benjamin Jones Thats good news, I will be doing a more in depth video
maybe tomorrow about the intrinsic points of the process, there are a few
points that really need to be understood fully to get the absolute best out
of the method.
Hi JH, why am I shanking every ball, trying this. Something wrong, I’m
+cooljakes One of my general teaching roster students was doing the same,
you have to make sure that the club head is still moved through an arc
during release, he was trying to put the club face ‘on’ the ball and trying
to force it to much down the line after impact.
You have to like all shots let the club head release naturally in an arc
around the body, with this method the body still squares up the club face
at impact like all shots, you don’t want the lead arm running off away from
the body as it moves towards the ball at impact or after impact.
I am doing some videos for my general students today so I will do one
explaining the correct in depth detail of the release aspect.
+1atomicgolf Tks, JH. Shall try it out. Looking forward to your new video
on the correct indepth details of the release aspect. Cheers.
Did the video today , should be on the site tonight sometime. JH
This is very similar to Phil’s method he calls “Hinge and Hold”. Phil says
it’s the only way to chip and pitch consistently.
+Dennis S Hi Dennis,
When you look at Phil he does look like he has this structural look about
his pitching process, maybe not as aggressive in the positioning of the
trail elbow which for me is the foundational strength of my method, but
Phil does have great structural integrity in his pitching process, great
structural integrity in ‘all’ his processes as his record indicates..
Ive used this throughout the golf set, with a full swing.. I get 125 yards
with by 7 iron, no distance but repeatable. Hybrid 3 160 yards no distance
but repeatable. Chipping and putting is fun now. I even used it in the
bunker. The most amazing result was my driver…the noise was pure “dink’
dead straight to 200m. Clearly this highlights how poor my golf is (was)
but I’m running out of time to learn P1 to P8 Lag etc. This is my go to
I can understand the loss of distance with the longer clubs, the action is
basically a ‘pre setting’ mechanics and just holding the ‘pre setting’…
there is really no way you can develop a lot of speed and distance because
the the angles really dont change to give enough lag to create distance of
more than normal pitching distances.
I never thought of using it for the Driver but I can understand the good
contact you would get because the lead arm is in such a strong position at
impact, anyway if you pick up some shots with the pitching its a worthwhile