Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Moe Norman
great video jh. i get the throw back. i have been too robotic. i need to
just throw it back exactly like you said. can’t wait to get to driving
range. thanks again lea
+Lea Pustetto Hi Lea,
It really is a very important facet of Moe’s mechanics which I have never
heard discussed by anyone before, and what supports it is the clear use of
it by Hogan in his swing, again I have never heard any of the so called
aficionado’s of his swing mechanics make any reference to it, I truly
believe it is hidden Gem of both Moe and Hogan’s golf swings.
I do remember Moe telling me the second time I spent time with him that his
swing balanced ‘him”… which I interpreted as the ‘orbital mass drag’
factor created by the ‘throwing back’ of the club head, its so simple when
you understand the dynamics effects in play when you do the throwback.
yes jh. it makes a lot of sense. it starts you off beautifully and gets
your hands into position without thinking. i think you have indeed found a
hidden gem. as i said can’t wait to try it out. cheers lea .
oh is it a good idea to read the golfing machine by homer Kelly or is it
too complicated . cheers
+Lea Pustetto Hi Lea,
‘Without Thinking’… that is the secret I believe… well at least after
the initial ‘activation’ of the hands to get the club head free wheeling
into the back swing.
I will be doing another video probably in the next day or so detailing what
‘without thinking’ really is for us a relative to the body’s automatic
reactionary processes that take place every second just to keep us in place
in space so to speak, I think it will help to understand the reason the
throwback works as well as it does if it is left to its own natural devices.
Is it good to read the ‘Golfing Machine’….yes and no, ‘Yes’ if you want
to see how an ‘engineer’ perceives a Golf Swing relative to its theoretical
‘construction…with ‘construction’ being the intent and the futility of
such an endeavor within the time frame a normal golf swing takes to perform.
The ‘No’ argument is founded on the time you will waste trying to ingest a
manifesto of ‘contrived’ bodily positions and the specific mental
programming that is supposed to ‘make’ the body conform to the many
required ‘stations’ that are required in the ‘Golf Machine’ doctrine.
The Golf Swing can never be a multitude of individual thoughts and specific
every-time required body component positioning, the Golf Machine teaches
absolute positioning and sequencing of body parts … the body doesn’t work
that way so you are going against its natural developed functioning
processes…my advise…read it and understand what you ‘shouldn’t’ try to
do with a golf swing.
That sounds pretty right to me.i bought the other book ….his life story
by mistake ( good read). And was wondering if it was worthwhile. Now i
won’t bother. Thanks . I’ll. Go with moe Norman. Cheers thanks for the
enjoying your videos very much. I’ve struggling with my swing for a while
now, and I’m looking to implement this hybrid swing of yours. looks very
repeatable. couple of questions, pls.: 1) is this swing the same as the one
in your other video tittled: “JH fit again powers up moe norman mechanics
2) are you using a weak grip, and 3) is you back foot (right) sightly
behind the front? if so how much? thanks in advance JH.
+Chabacano Maximus HI CM,
My version of Moe’s swing has always been a ‘Hybrid’…the JH Fit Again’
swing is ‘my’ version of Moe’s mechanics and basically what I have used
when I talk about Moe’s swing in general.
My grip is on the weak side for sure and that happens purely because of
‘my’ range of motion in my wrists and my palm /fingers length ratios , I
have relatively short fingers and a longish palm so its difficult for me to
have my right hand turned much to the right because my fingers come off the
My right foot is somewhat behind my left at address but again that is
because I like to feel ‘into’ my back swing at address, frankly for most
people ( right Handed that is) I think the right foot back a little helps
with weight shift and rotation .
JH, thanks so much for replying to my post so promptly. I actually hit the
range today to try the swing and had some success. a lot of power (7 iron
going 180 yards, long for me). I did have a few shots that went right. no
slice though. just a straight shot to the right (like if I was aiming out
there). any ideas why? impact felt solid… I notice you also do a little
pre-turn at address where your head looks a little tilted and a little more
weight on your left foot, is this accurate? thanks JH and thanks for
explaining Moes theories so clearly, truly enjoy all the videos and
stories. keep up the good work.
David from california, us.
I just came across your Moe Norman hybrid swing and the acceleration
videos. It’s just been three days it has changed my golf game. I’m a 7
index and I can’t believe it but my game is going to get even better. Just
like you said, “I can’t hit it any straighter” Thanks so much.
+David Bowie Hi David,
You know the great thing about the Golf swing is that there is always
“something” that we can try and to fit into ‘our’ swing that can make a
difference, and frankly that’s why I explore ‘everything’ I can about swing
mechanics, there are so many little keys/things that you can try that may
get you an individual result, the ‘secret’ is out there.. as Hogan said we
just need more ‘daylight’ to find it.
Have you checked out Jack kuykendalls e2e swing with the swop grip. He
should come up with a better name for it. However it’s amazing. I am a big
fan of moe norman and learned moe,s swing back in the 90,s. But Jack has
invented an even better and easier to repeat swing. It looks strange but it
works great. Even less moving parts and no power loss, with extreme
accuracy. I’m 55 and this swing will allow me to play good golf for another
30 years. just check it out. love your stuff.
+Ask Me I know of Jack because of the Natural Golf company he founded , I
met him way back when I first started teaching the Moe Norman method…
1992 …Jack of course was the person that brought Moe to prominence at
that time,and got Moe to use the split grip and the big Natural Golf grips.
Jack was/is the quintessential ‘mad scientist’ ….. he is a very smart guy
intelligence wise and I dont think he will ever stop looking at ways to
swing the Golf club differently.
I haven’t seen e2e swing but I will surely look at it today, I am all for
investigating’anything’ that I can use to make swinging a golf club
easier…..or to just have more fun with the swing.
Is that what Duffner does as well?
+D Martins Certainly Duffner, and Hogan as well.
This is awesome
+bigindian65 So many ways to hit the Golf ball, and invariably there is one
that works for the individual, but you will never know which is ‘the’ swing
for ‘you’ if you dont try a few like you are doing, glad this one is of
interest to you.
I don’t think that even the chaps at the Graves Golf Academy (Moe Norman
School) mention the idea of “throwing” the club back. This might be the
most important tip of all with regards to developing a solid single plan
swing – for me! Thanks.
It just came up in general conversation with Moe when I asked him what he
did in his backswing..he said just ‘tossed’ the club head back around his
body ..and he showed me the motion which was for all intents and purposes
just a ‘throwing’ action as if you were trying to throw the club head off
the shaft if it was loose enough to fly off the shaft.
I haven’t heard it mentioned by anyone else before….like you I think its
a vital aspect of getting a a swing plane that is purely momentum based and
self positioning as apposed to trying to ‘put’ the club into position or on
I can actually hear how pure you are contacting the ball. What are your
thoughts on “grip pressure”? I believe that Moe advocated that the trailing
hand was just along for the ride? I gather this meant a fairly lose grip?
Finally, with regards to this – can you wear a glove and still be as
effective with this type of swing?
Moe had a strong grip pressure in his left hand..maybe a 7 out of 10, the
right not nearly as strong, you must remember he was left handed so his
lead hand/arm was his dominant strength mechanism, he had the ability to
have the strong pressure left hand grip but could keep his forearms very
soft which is very hard to do.
Wearing a glove is no problem …I only stopped wearing a glove a year ago
because I always had trouble getting the fit and feel thickness consistency
with gloves generally, best thing I ever did frankly, I have so much more
feel and control in my left hand now without the glove, it took me 2/300
balls a day for a month to get the feeling in my left hand without a glove
on but its so good now not having to worry about sweaty or wet gloves
Hi JHI’m looking at your video on Moe Hybrid Swing I am 64 is that to old
to learn the More Norman Swing. I have to say I am enjoying watching your
64… to old to learn the Moe Swing… you know Moe was 67 when he changed
to the two handed split grip himself, no you are certainly not to old.
Its not necessary to learn the ‘absolute’ Moe mechanics , you can just take
the basic elements of his mechanics and blend them into a ‘Hybrid’ version
to suit your own physicality, glad you like the videos .
Thanks JH,I am on the way to the driving range I will start working on some
of your Moe hybrid tips.Thanks a million.