45 Responses to “Moe Norman Mechanics No 1”

  1. <path_to_url> D Slatt

    Sir, stop misleading people. The lower body generates the speed in the
    golf swing. I can even see your lower body going into action during your
    so called right arm demonstration of power. Especially your entire right
    side using the ground for leverage and power. The arms cannot initiate
    the power, the legs do since the legs and not the arms are in contact with
    the ground, the arms get their speed from the legs, the legs and the
    ground. Same for pitchers, quarterbacks, or any throwing sport.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +D Slatt I wonder how far you would hit a golf ball with your club going at
      the speed rate of your legs, the fastest the legs can ever move with anyone
      is around 6-8 mph, they can onl;y move at that speed because there are no
      accumulators/.levers /hinges that can be released from their hinged/stored
      About 80% of swing speed comes about from the unhinging of the trail
      forearm down against (in conjunction) the trail wrist , the lead arm
      because it is just a radius lock because it has not been hinged in the back
      swing produces only a component of speed that is relative to a single non
      hinged lever.
      The legs provide a ‘stabilizing ‘role in order to support the accumulated
      energy that will be released from the hinged levers of the trail arm,
      invariably all batters/throwers initiate the downswing with their legs
      because of the built up rotational torque that is generated in any action
      where mass is moved in a coiling fashion from one side to another.
      There has been a number of studies done that support the the value of the
      trail arm hinges constituting around 80% of all swing speed generated in
      the Golf swing, its the components that move ‘quickly’ that generate the
      speed, not the ‘slow’ components.

    • <path_to_url> thatwilldonicely

      quite right i think, recall Sam Snead would hit 250 yard drives kneeling
      !!! when he did exhibitions and a buddy of mine who was a scratch player
      could do the same, also hitting 250 yard drives sitting on a chair

  2. <path_to_url> Dum-1

    I really liked this video. I appreciate all the information. Keep the
    videos coming, sir.

  3. <path_to_url> Tim Flaherty

    John, excellent point on the right elbow around the rib cage. And also
    driving the right elbow past the belly button(Hogan Connection).

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Tim Flaherty Hi Tim,
      The elbow of the right arm around the rib cage is something that is lost in
      discussions and analysis of Moe’s mechanics, as well people do not see how
      soft his arms are on the back swing and how there is zero effort to gain
      any ‘extension’ of his arms on the back swing, as I said he told me he did
      the exact opposite….that being he tried to just ‘fold his arms up on the
      back swing and tried to actually wrap them around his body, just try
      exactly that some time and see how much velocity you get in your arms on
      the downswing as they ‘unfurl’ so to speak.
      regards JH

    • <path_to_url> Tim Flaherty

      Thanks for the advise. Seems to me Moe shared maybe 50% of what he really
      knew and you had to decode his language too.

    • <path_to_url> Greg Lavern

      +Tim Flaherty Probably 50% to the public and 100% to me. Since 1974 I have
      been the true authority on Moe Norman’s original golf swing he won all his
      tournaments with.

  4. <path_to_url> Bjarke Lauridsen

    Hi there John. I am on my own quest for perfect ball striking, and am
    working pretty hard on the range… Winter is coming, so I am gathering
    information as I want to be sure to get the right moves ingrained before
    next season. Right now the main thought is as you said trying to drive that
    elbow down and in front of the hips. Also I find it feels really nice to
    start the transition by “sitting down” so to speak. What I mean that it
    feels good to move laterally and at the same time get the feeling of weight
    on the heels and middle of feet… Is that correct perception in your
    opinion? Also I heard that MOE pulled a lot. When I do that, I feel like my
    consistency drops and I hit it worse. You might say I’m a little right vs.
    left side confused. I’m right handed, btw. If you want to, check out my MOE
    inspired swing on my channel here in YOUtube. Greetings from Denmark ;-)

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Bjarke,,
      I looked at your swing, you have a great action for a big tall guy relative
      to Moe mechanics, and super tempo, I don’t think you need to do much at all
      with that swing , its essentially technically where you need to be going.
      With regard to the ‘pulling’ aspect just concentrate on keeping pressure on
      your right butt cheek and inside right heel as you pull with the left
      hand/arm, that keeps the right hip back and closed and gives you something
      to pull’against’ with the left hand/arm.
      When you ‘sit down’ just make sure the ‘sit down’ is ‘clockwise’ with the
      hips, that will get the right leg staying inside the left leg transitioning
      which helps with the head remaining over the right knee which also gives
      something else to ‘pull away’ from with the left hand/arm, remember the
      left hand/arm has to be pulled ‘away’ from the right ‘clockwise’
      turning/holding right groin/ butt cheek / inside right knee components.
      The only other thing I would add is try to ‘flow’ your setup and takeaway
      more and not be to rigid in the setting up and starting of the swing, you
      have a great action even now with your swing at its current stage of
      development, I am very impressed., and so would Moe have been.
      regards JH.

  5. <path_to_url> Dr. Ted Edwards (AllergyExpert)

    I recall Moe saying he pulls like crazy with the left hand and the right
    does nothing. It’s just going along for the ride. Contrast this to Hogan
    who said he wished he had three right hands.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Ted Edwards DC (AllergyExpert) Hi Ted, Moe did say he pulled hard with his
      left hand…but that can be confusing for most people because you have to
      remember Moe was left handed and because of that he clearly had more
      strength and dominance in his left hand/arm.
      He neglected to tell most people that like Hogan who was also left handed
      starting out with golf and changed to a right handed swing they both knew
      that the trail arm had to apply as much force as it could because it was
      the power accumulator because it was was hinged at the elbow in the back
      swing, unlike the lead arm that remained straight and was virtually a
      ‘radius lock’ because of it non bending function as per the trail arm.
      Moe told me he like Hogan hit very hard with his right hand/arm but that by
      pulling as hard as he did with his left/lead arm/hand he created more
      efficiency for his right/trail hand/arm to deliver its power through the
      unhinging action of the the right elbow through impact.
      In fact Moe showed how much more power could be generated with the trail
      arm/hand compared with the lead arm/hand… he simply took a 9 iron and
      gripped it only with his left hand and hit 3 shots.. he then did the same
      with his trail arm and just folded it up on the back swing and unfolded it
      through the ball… the power /distance difference was clearly
      significantly higher with the trail arm application.
      Johnny Miller was left handed and played right handed as well, and he
      clearly has always referred to opening the club ace on the back swing just
      smacking the right hand as hard as he could against his left hand to square
      up the club face and apply maximum power availability.
      The trail arm/hand will always be the major source of power in any golf
      swing because of its hinging/folding process on the back swing.
      regards JH

  6. <path_to_url> Dr. Ted Edwards (AllergyExpert)

    I too am left handed, playing right handed golf. I thought power
    accumulator was golfing machine terminology.

    BTW I took what you mentioned about how Moe pulled his right elbow to his
    side on the back swing to the course today and I felt it helped quit a bit.
    I actually chip/pitch quit effectively from 30 yards in with just the left
    arm/hand. When I put the right on there it wants to steer, push and
    otherwise make a mess of things. So a few years ago I decide to leave it

    Funny, I’ve watched a lot of Moe Norman video. Followed Graves and the
    rather strange Kuykendall and Evershed and others. First time I’ve come
    across you here on YouTube. Enjoying your insights into the mechanics of
    Moe. Especially when you describe what he said he felt.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Ted Edwards DC (AllergyExpert) I have never taken on board what people say
      they ‘Feel’ in their swings because feel is so different to what ‘actually’
      is happening or takes place in a Golf Swing, to that end I always get
      people to ‘show’ me how and what they ‘actually do’ with their swing
      Some of the stuff Moe said he felt he did he clearly didn’t do and after I
      broached those ‘feel’ things as apposed to what he did in reality he agreed
      with me , he did however say that his ‘feelings’ even though they were not
      real in swing application they did ‘create’ the swing ‘effect’ he wanted.
      I complied with his explanation and repeated the Kuykendall assessment
      of…’ Correct Thought Perception , Incorrect Reality Body Science’ …
      Jack was a strange guy but he was quite perceptive in some areas of
      analysis, he did himself some injustice when he tried to be a
      ‘demonstrator’ of what he perceived as Moe’s swing mechanics, he just
      couldn’t hit the ball the same twice and hit a lot of awful shots
      demonstrating with his swing.
      I am going to do a video before Xmas on chipping/pitching and why most
      people have difficulty with that part of the game, there is for most normal
      club players a simple answer to developing a sound chipping/pitching action
      and its for most players the complete ‘opposite’ of what they think they
      should do when chipping/pitching.
      Of all the players that came to me over the years for chipping/pitching
      problems there wasn’t ‘one’ that I didn’t send away with a new
      understanding of how the hands/arms actually are supposed to work with
      chip/pitch shots, so it might be good for you and your chipping/pitching.
      regards JH

  7. <path_to_url> Maqqa

    Interesting interpretation of Norman’s swing – thx for the vids. But I have
    to disagree about the hips.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +MaqAttaq1 Hi Maqattaq,
      Glad the vids are of interest, hips activation and processes are different
      for all players and the particular type of swing mechanics you are using
      and your bio-mechanical body component application/capability, as we see
      with Moe Norman he does not ‘rotation clear’ his hips to set his club for
      the downswing as someone like Bubba or Ricky Fowler does.
      For Moe the ‘stretching’ of hid left side from the pelvis to his left
      armpit compresses his right side and sets the club for his downswing, the
      resultant of the club head setting is the same but it just happens by way
      of a different method of force dynamics being applied relative to an
      individual body makeup capabilities.
      When Moe was young he had very fast upper body rotational unwind
      capabilities but I think he found by experimentation that his hips were not
      fast enough to work with his upper body capability and he probably found
      that ‘sliding’ his hips instead of trying to ‘rotate’ them early/quickly
      was easier to do, just my thoughts on his final evolution of the slide as
      apposed to the rotation.
      regards JH

  8. <path_to_url> Jgb333

    I apologize if this has been covered already but I’m curious about your
    grip. Specifically the strength of your lead hand, are you strong, neutral
    , or weak? I’ve been swinging single plane for a couple of years now and
    I’m always looking for more info.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Jgb333 I really am not a ‘Strong/weak’ grip advocate in any manner or form
      , I believe your hands will position themselves correctly if you position
      your elbows/upper arms correctly to your chest/pec area.
      All I try to do is get a good/solid connection of my upper arms to my upper
      torso without any undue manipulation of my arms/elbows etc, when that
      happens invariably the pockets of the elbow joints will position themselves
      on the same plane as one another, they may end up positioned looking
      upwards as per Hogan or like Moe Normans which tend to be more sideways
      Because we all are built differently with chest sizes and hand sizes you
      have to experiment to get a grip position for the hands that that just
      squares the club face consistently at impact , my own grip if you want to
      put a description on it would be in normal teaching terms I suppose
      considered ‘neutral to weak’, but so would Hogan’s and Johnny Millers
      grip’s be considered ‘Weak/neutral’ and they were both very strong hitters
      of the ball.
      I just get my own grip to create a consistent ball flight … I never think
      about ‘where’ my hands are supposed to be but more ‘how’ they are getting
      the club face to respond through the ball, its just cause and effect for
      me, when the ball is going where I want it to go all the time my grip is
      where it needs to be.
      regards JH

  9. <path_to_url> Jgb333

    Thanks for such a quick and detailed response. All the literature I’ve been
    reading regarding the single plane swing lately has been so mechanical that
    I think I’ve tightened up. Your approach seems to be more user friendly and
    you account for different body types, it’s refreshing. I’ve gone from a 20
    to a 9 with the SPS and I’m just looking for more refinement. You have
    almost an Ernest jones “swing the clubhead” attitude. I would love some
    more moe related video’s. Do you have any plans to offer video analysis or
    any other teaching tools…I think there would be an interest

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Jgb333 If you look back through my videos (of which there are only around
      180 or so on my channel which is only a part of the number of videos I have
      done on ‘lots’ of different aspects of the Golf Swing) you will see that I
      do generally explore lots of different facet/aspects of the Golf swing.
      I am very much a club head ‘momentum’ person when it comes to a definitive
      denominator in the Golf Swing, I just believe you will never achieve
      consistency in setting the club head at the top of the swing correctly if
      you get it there any way other than ‘free swinging’ it there, I just don’t
      see how anyone can consistently ‘put’ a golf club in position because the
      ‘amount’ of ‘put’ varies so much with the human physiology shot to shot.
      The tennis ball on the piece of string will always orbit the same if you
      just let the mass of the ball have free reign and not try to ‘put’ the ball
      into a position, as long as you can by any means get the club head to
      ‘orbit’ around your body you are in some way applying ‘swinging
      momentum’… which is really all you have to do.
      I will be doing some videos in fact tomorrow on how the ‘swinging momentum’
      can be supercharged to create significant power by what I term ‘Stationary
      Velocity Dynamics’ … simply meaning…the more you can stay’ in place’
      when you rotate your body on the back swing and in particular the down
      swing the more ‘slinging velocity’ you will achieve, which was Hogan’s
      secret I believe to his significant power generation from a relatively
      small non muscular person.
      These dynamics are the opposite of what Moe Norman did in his down swing
      and was IMO the reason he wasn’t a long hitter of the driver, whereas Hogan
      regards JH

  10. <path_to_url> Nat McIntosh

    I think I understand what moe did but in the after hitting that many balls
    theirs that 1 key. l have not heard anywhere that works well for me.one
    conciese thought before to impart your will on the ball.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Nat McIntosh Hi Na t,
      I think I understand what you are getting at…. if it is in fact the ‘
      specific thought application’ of trying to control the clubs outcome in the
      Golf swing I believe it goes a lot further than that.
      You can have all the great ‘thought intentions’ you want but if you haven’t
      schooled your body through repetition of specific body structure mechanics
      the body will not respond to the ‘specific thoughts’ because their is no
      ingrained motor movement ‘program’ that will respond sub conscious.
      I know by my own experiences on many occasions where I have tried to
      ‘think’ a new type shot into action on the golf course but it doesn’t come
      off because I haven’t built a program before that knows what to do ,
      simplifying the understanding…I could ‘think’ of throwing a baseball
      pitch in a certain way , but if I hadn’t practiced that ‘way’ before and
      built the body response mechanism to get that ‘way’ effect I could never
      pitch the ball with any semblance of correct resultant.
      regards JH.
      PS . I guess the best way of explaining what I mean is this..’ you cant
      ‘think’ any motor movement into application without first getting the brain
      to accept the new’ requirement’.

  11. <path_to_url> Hubert Macachor

    Clubhead speed is not due to centrifugal force . Momentum, Moment arm, and
    summation of forces are the key physics principle. Javelin throwers and
    high jumpers have to run first to develop momentum just like having a
    longer arc with a full shoulder turn. The longer a force is acting to move
    an object , the more momentum you produce on that object. The driver is the
    longest therefore, longest moment arm. With the same angjular velocity ,
    the longer moment arm the faster the linear clubhead speed is. Ben Hogan
    tucked in his right elbow to the right side to measure down to the ball and
    to summate the turning through of the body with the arm swing.Shorter clubs
    have shorter moment arm designed to hit a certain distance. This is the
    reason why the driver hits the longest because it has the longest moment
    arm and that’s why it is limited to 48 inches.

  12. <path_to_url> Bill Miller

    J.H. Did you ever play 18 with Moe? If so share some comments on the play.
    Thanks, Bill. Wadsworth, Ohio

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Bill Miller Hi Bill,
      No never actually played with Moe, just never had the time, I never wanted
      to burden him with constraints of association , ( if the truth be known I
      was so scared of showing my playing capabilities to Moe compared to his) he
      was always happy in the conversation mode and I had him captive so to speak
      with no distractions, I never spent a great deal of time with him overall
      but the time I did get with him was incredibly enlightening for me because
      he answered the specific questions I put to him in a totally spontaneous
      and unguarded manner.
      cheers JH

  13. <path_to_url> sambking

    Thanks for taking the time to put this video up. This is a VERY good
    breakdown of what Moe was doing in his swing. I have studied every Moe
    Norman video that I have found on youtube. This video is fantastic! Thanks

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Glad the video helped.
      cheers JH

  14. <path_to_url> Glenn McFadgen

    Glenn MThink your videos are fantastic I have been using Moe swing for a
    month or so with sometimes very good results others not so good but I had a
    question. I also spent a lot of time on Trevino’s swing and was wondering
    could you give me your thoughts or even a short video on your recommended
    version and imput on his swing. Any info would be much appreciated and
    keep up the good work. Thanks again

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Him Glenn,
      Glad you like the videos, sure I can do something on Trevino, I actually
      used to teach the Trevino swing way back, Lee was at his peak the best ball
      striker playing World Golf, Moe Norman was of that opinion as well, it will
      be good for me as well to ‘re visit’ Lee’s great mechanics, if the weather
      is ok tomorrow I will do a video outlining Trevino’s swing mechanics
      compared to that of Moe’s, as I said it will be good to visit Lee’s great
      mechanics again.
      cheers JH.

    • <path_to_url> Glenn McFadgen

      Fantastic I will look forward to it. Glenn

  15. <path_to_url> P SMITH

    Hi JH – Just revisiting your Moe videos and wondering whether one needs to
    implement a specific single axis type grip (ie. grip more in the lifeline
    of the right hand through to the middle joint of the trigger finger) to get
    that ‘alignment’ of rear forearm with clubshaft at address? Or can we just
    use whatever grip gets our clubhead square at impact but have a higher left
    wrist (ie. no cocking ) at address which would make it easier to align the
    right forearm with shaft? A down the line view would show that the left arm
    slightly in front of the right arm. What do you suggest? I am also assuming
    that Moe just tossed the clubhead back and didn’t ‘place it’ in a
    ‘backswing’ (ie. like swinging a ball on a string).

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Keith,
      Its advantageous to get the club shaft aligned as much with the trail
      forearm as possible at address, the grip depends on how your hands are
      proportioned anatomically, if you have short fingers its difficult to get
      any purchase with the ring finger and little finger of the trail hal hand
      when you position the grip in the lifeline, that is what happens with me
      personally which is why I have a hybrid Vardon type grip.
      Bear in mind Moe did not hold the club in the lifeline until he went to
      Natural Golf, in fact he didn’t have a split grip at all during his playing
      days, so I think the main thing is to work a grip out that allows as much
      of a single axis with the trail arm as possible, whatever that grip ends up
      being, Moe definitely didn’t ‘place’ the club head going back, he just
      ‘tossed’ it back and let momentum sort the club head out.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> P SMITH

      Thanks JH – I do have small hands/fingers and find it impossible to do the
      Vardon grip. Tried implementing it several weeks ago and inflamed the top
      joint/tendon on my right hand pinkie joint (the joint nearest the tip –
      very painful). So I reverted back to my normal 10 finger grip and tried to
      get the shaft more between the ‘HEAD and FATE ” palm line area of my right
      hand. Felt that it restricted my usual ‘piccolo’ type ‘give’ in my right
      hand fingers at the top of my backswing/transition and kept the back of my
      left wrist relatively firm. It felt as if I couldn’t freely sling the club
      with my right hand but does that ‘feel’ mean I am doing something correct
      or incorrect? My normal grip with my right hand is where the grip traverses
      from the mid joint of my trigger finger through that area between the HEART
      and HEAD line area. I know that there is only a subtle difference between
      the 2 grips (ie. ‘free’ piccolo type vs ‘restricted’ piccolo type feel),
      but I’m unsure which is technically correct.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Keith,
      I dont think there is a ‘technically’ correct grip with the single
      Axis/plane endeavour, its what you can use effectively and get as close as
      you can to single axis , there are so many anatomical aspects of the
      hands/wrists/fingers that contribute to differences and capabilities of
      grip application.
      Just the Ulnar flexion range capability of the wrists can have a huge
      impact on a players ability to correctly set his club shaft in line with
      his trail forearm in the single axis mechanics requirement, you have to be
      able to arch the wrists down significantly to get a single axis setup
      alignment configuration at address, I cant do that myself with the club
      grip in my palm because I simply do not have enough ulnar deviation range
      in my wrists.
      So I always evaluate an individuals range of motion capabilities in there
      joints etc before I recommend specific grip placement types , I personally
      favour hinging my wrists as apposed to cocking them because of my own lack
      of ulnar deviation range of movement, so it final analysis I just think you
      have to experiment with your own anatomical range of motion capabilities to
      set the grip optimally.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> P SMITH

      Many thanks JH – Luckily I have quite a range of ulner and radial deviation
      , so yes , worth experimenting to find how easy I can get a single axis
      without having the shaft too much in the palm of my right hand.

  16. <path_to_url> Gerry Grabinski

    Hey JH,Thanks for all your videos. I think you should have a video talking
    about the lateral slide vs. a lateral turn. This makes a big difference in
    my swing. As you pointed out by sliding it keeps the hips in check and will
    help one to hit the ball straighter vs. a draw.Secondly, on your “swing the
    club” video you talk about swinging easy, i.e., until the club gets about
    +-24″ in front of the bal. In another video “swing from the top” you talk
    about swinging from the top. I find it a little confusing because “swinging
    the club” is about hitting later in the swing. If one concentrates on
    “swinging from the top” would not one swing too soon????Gerry

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Gerry,
      The starting from the top is just another physical ‘feeling’ to initiate
      the downswing, some players if they shift or work their ‘lower’ body they
      can get to much spinning of the lower body which can take the shoulder
      girdle with it and you can get over the ball on the downswing, the upper
      lead shoulder quadrant move will always drop the club head backwards and
      not forwards which will give you still the later club head application.
      Its not an early moving of the ‘club head’..its a an early movement of the
      shoulder quadrant.
      I will try and do something on the ‘lateral’ hip slide as apposed to the
      conscious early hip turning/clearance.
      cheers JH

  17. <path_to_url> P SMITH

    Hi JH – Just a small observation that sort of ‘rang a bell in my head’
    regarding Moe’s excessive primary tilt . Do you think he found by trial and
    error , that his straight legs and overly primary tilt helped him swing the
    club on a plane that also restricted the cocking of his wrists? When I have
    a more upright primary tilt , my arms get lifted more vertical near the end
    of the backswing and the inertia of the clubhead cocks my wrists and opens
    up the clubface (I can’t stop this without musculature effort which can
    tense my wrists and arms). When I replicate Moe’s primary tilt and straight
    legs it feels really weird but the swing path and inertia of the clubhead
    seems to promotes hinging rather than cocking, making it easier for me to
    square the clubface in the downswing.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi keith,
      I think Moe’s general address angles were brought about purely by his
      personal body segment lengths and proportional mass distribution relative
      to maintaining ‘his’ required balance factors again relative to how he
      wanted to swing the club.
      To simplify that I think he just kept setting himself to positions of
      difference until he found one that enabled ‘him’ to swing the club with the
      repeatability he wanted, where he ended up being finally was because it
      provided the structure he needed for the ball flight he wanted, nothing more
      As well remember he was already into his turn because of the positioning of
      his club head back from the ball so he was already loading a bit right to
      begin with, I always feel that a ‘hinging’ action will be easier when the
      shoulders turn more level as apposed to more vertically because connection
      is way easier to maintain and the lead arm in going ‘sideways’ as apposed
      to ‘upwards ‘ keeps the lead forearm squarer to the rotation arc and the
      wrist can hinge more naturally, very hard to hinge the wrist when the
      forearm is is moving ‘up’ as opposed to ‘sideways’ and around.
      I hope that is not to abstract as an explanation but it is hard to explain
      the process verbally as apposed to demonstrating it visually.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> P SMITH

      Many thanks again JH – makes sense to me.

  18. <path_to_url> Sam F

    enjoy your videos .. for single-axis (moe norman) .. how do you gauge the
    distance to the ball with different clubs? I read somewhere for instance,
    8-iron would be about 24 inches from toe line. That seems to be way out
    there; i almost feel like i’m tipping over. Thanks for any insight.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Sam,
      I never think about any distance ‘measurements’ , I have no idea why the
      Natural Golf guys went down the measurement road with crazy numbers like
      they suggested, you cant have a specific measurement for everyone, players
      have different length arms and balance factors.
      I have never thought about a ‘measurement’ ever, I just balance my body
      structure and where my arms end up placing the club head is the
      measurement, you just need to extend your arms to the extent you can
      comfortably balance your swing and rotation movements.
      You cant setup by a specific ‘measurement’, just setup to suit ‘You’, and
      if you feel that by stretching your arms to an extended formation you are
      unbalanced in feeling just relax the arms until you get the balance you
      need, I dont fully extend my arms, we are not built like Moe was mostly so
      we need to setup as best suits ‘Us’ …
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> Sam F

      +1atomicgolf thanks, JH. that makes sense. now I’m wondering about club lie
      angles. when I feel balanced at address in single plane setup, my irons are
      toe down (not level) .. still hit pretty straight shots with mid irons, not
      so much with shorter irons. Curious about your thoughts on club fitting and
      lie angles. I don’t mean to stray from the essence of your videos, but club
      fitting seems to also be a requirement for optimal success for natural golf
      aka moenormangolf.com.

  19. <path_to_url> Nat McIntosh

    to add on that conciese thought. j.h. I should have said consiese feeling
    to imparting my will on the ball.I think moes swing mechanics are
    genius.basicly i feel the club goes back on ball and when the wrist or
    before wrist fully hinges transferring back there is that latteral shift
    into ground left alla knee bend left side tug easy stuff right.now here’s
    where my conciese thought or feeling is.I feel the the upper move back a
    bit maybe a counter balancing and the right arm hand is my key firing
    through impact.it really is amazing how square and up the line it feels
    with great compression. great days to you jh.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Nat,
      That all sounds eminently relative to the stuff I advocate , I will be
      doing something tomorrow that I think will get your interest, its another
      very intrinsic part of Moe’s mechanics that really puts the icing on the
      cake so to speak, I could never get it a[[lied in my own swing until the
      last few days, but man when I did it was crazy good contact, and totally
      automatic squaring of the club face at impact, the ball flight and contact
      I am getting now is frying my brain, it has only taken me 21 years to
      understand how to apply the move that is creating the difference in contact
      and ball flight.
      Moe showed me the move 21 years ago but It scared me trying to do it
      because I wasn’t committed enough to the move, I just revisited it 2 days
      ago and went overboard with the application and it worked…like perfectly.
      cheers JH