Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Moe Norman
Many THANKS, JH!
There is just NO one on youtube (or anywhere else for that matter) that is
so interesting and effective at looking at the great swings of the past and
trying to delve more deeply into why they were so EFFECTive.
And then showing how we can analyze them and adapt some of those
observations into our own personal golf swings.
More than anything, you demonstrate that each golfer is unique in so many
ways and must find a swing that will WORK.
I understand now even more the frustrations of so many when trying to learn
the “conventional” ( or traditional “rotational”) golf swing. It’s really,
You have a GIFT for recognizing the SIMPLICITY of a technique(s) that
allows for amazing accuracy and distance.
Your generosity in providing thought provoking ideas, analysis,
recommendations and encouragement is unsurpassed!!
+Chip Satterly Thanks Chip,
Its all about just loving the game of Golf and the amazing process of
hitting that little golf ball in so many different ways which so many of
the great players have that just intrigues me.
Hitting the ball with many different thoughts and perceived actions is
relatively easy for me to do on the practice tee as it is for most people
that hit a lot of balls and have relatively good hand/eye coordination….
and a lot of people say to me that ‘playing’ golf must be easy for me
because I don’t have any trouble hitting the ball , I am like everyone else
when I ‘play’ golf, the ‘course’ is the leveller…..lots of people can hit
the ball well when practicing because its totally stress free and the brain
is not under stress to create a ‘score’..’playing’ is the ‘real’ art and
its the golf course’ accuracy and quality of strike that’s the difference.
I actually did a video yesterday that I will be putting up today about the
benefits of ‘proper practice’ as apposed to ‘ multiple ball hitting
exercise’ …..which most practice sessions are for most people , there is
an ‘art’ in practicing correctly, and in all the years I have watched
thousands of people practice I have seen only 2 people that I considered
practiced correctly, and that includes the best players on the planet, so
have a look at my practice video, I think it makes a whole lot of sense.
My practice is very limited.due to the New York weather. Yesterday we had
50-60 mph winds, temperatures in the 40 degrees so just short 20 yard chips
and pitches in the backyard. Looking forward to seeing your practice
routine. Good to see this moe n single axis. Does this also work for those
types of shots.?
+Bill Walsh Hi Bill,
Hey I saw the weather that you guys have been having lately, still getting
snow in places, we are the same down here but its the ‘hot’ weather that is
continuing..not the cold.
The Single vertical axis should be applied to all shots, you will work out
how much to do it on the shorter shots by trial and error, but really the
shorter shots should actually get more benefit from the method because you
will eliminate virtually all lateral movement which you don’t need in short
+1atomicgolf Hi JH. I started teaching myself the Moe Norman swing and
that’s how I found your videos. When I do it right, holy cow! The sweet
spot really feels awesome when I hit the ball. I do, however, struggle with
getting my weight to my front foot (left foot for me) and had that issue
when I played the conventional swing…my weight falling backwards once I
make contact with the ball. My buddies tell me that I swing too hard. Do
you have any drills (Moe Norman swing style) that would help? Thanks for
all your great instruction!
+Birdie Gof I think if you really concentrate on keeping your left knee
bent through impact and feel your left butt cheek is very heavy and wanting
to stay as low to the ground as you can get it at impact that will help, I
hit the ball best when I feel I get my left shoulder really low through
impact, that pulls my whole left side ‘forward’, hope that helps.
It is as you say an amazing feeling when you do get it right with the Moe
mechanics, just so solid and and straight.
+1atomicgolf Thanks a bunch JH! I’ll be hitting the range after work today
to work on it. By the way, I tried your “wristy” putting and chipping
technique yesterday and it worked like a champ. I just have to practice it
for a while to develop my distance control. Thanks for your reply and all
Jh, I know I’m going off topic but a quick question. With my aneurysm I’m
trying to shorten my swing and slow it down a bit, would going to a reg
shaft from a stiff shaft really cause big problems in the swing? I have
always been a long hitter even at 5’9 and 53 yrs my 9I carry is still
around 155+ yards. I figured if I try to slow my swing down the reg shaft
would be better? There isn’t a better teacher out here in the web.
+D Martins I certainly would try a softer shaft absolutely, these days the
quality of shafts is so good that softer flexes don’t seem to effect
accuracy at all but certainly give distance gains, I personally now play
shafts so much softer than I ever have and I have pretty much the same
strength I had a few years ago.
In my irons I am playing a Taylormade ( M2 Irons) ‘A’ flex graphite shaft
and hitting the ball absolute miles and straight as well, today’s Graphite
shafts have great bend profiles that allow lots of loading with slower
speed swings , you still have clearly plenty of reserve speed that you can
sacrifice in the swing length but pick back up with the softer shaft kick
Thanks for the accolade, all I try to do really is provide
alternatives/optional ways of swinging a golf club and hopefully players
can try the options and get a result that ‘they’ can benefit from.
Hi JH – Just bought the Todd Graves book ‘The Single Plane Golf Swing’ but
just wanted to ask you a quick question. Is the Moe swing action better for
one’s back than the conventional swing ? Also , have you ever had back
problems when doing Moe’s swing? I’ve heard that a wide stance puts a lot
of stress on the hips so getting a bit confused with all the various claims
+P SMITH Hi Keith,
Its a bit of a miss understood physical process, if you have your feet a
long way apart as Moe does and kept your legs straight on the backswing you
would put a lot of strain on your lower back/lumbar region because the
straight legs would not let the hip girdle rotate as much as it needs to .
Moe lets his left leg /knee break into the ball line on his back swing
which puts flex in that leg and lets the left hip move down and the right
hip move up and around which takes pressure of the spine during the turn.
You have to look closely and what you will see is quite a bit of freedom in
his hip girdle movement on the backswing, with all the millions of ball Moe
hit over the years he would have ground his spine facets joints into
fragments if he didn’t have that freedom in his hip girdle to take the
pressure of his lower spine.
As I say you have to look very closely and look at the actual softness of
his hip girdle movement on his backswing, so as long as you dont try to
keep your legs rigid and your hip girdle stationary in the backswing you
wont have any back problems, I never have and I have hit probably a million
balls+ with the Moe swing over the years since 1991.
Moe’s swing can convey visually the wrong image of how it is supposed to
work, he looks stiff and rigid because he has so much extension in his legs
and arms at address, but its only ‘extension’…not ‘rigidity’…he
actually had amazing softness in his swing action, its just because he
‘looks’ stiff and rigid that people people ‘think’ he swings stiff and
rigid, which he just never did.
+1atomicgolf Many thanks JH
Hi JH – sorry to ask you this question again about Moe’s swing being back
friendly . I was actually wondering specifically whether there is any truth
in the claim that setting up at address to mirror impact plane means less
compression on the spine? I think Todd Graves and Kirk Junge all have You
Tube videos showing how the spine can be compressed using a conventional
setup (ie. no rear forearm alignment with club shaft). I’m not a spine
expert and it all looks logical , but can it be backed up (forgive the pun)
by any medical evidence?
+P SMITH Hi Keith, ‘
I am certainly not a ‘Spineologist’ lol, and as a result I cant say where
the true loadings are directed , I guess to simplify an explanation of
spine reduction torque/loadings I just think anytime you are turning your
torso/shoulders away from the ball at address against any lower body
resistance you will have a spinal loading taking place at the base of the
spine predominantly so its not really possible to reduce those type of
loadings with any swing that incorporates a winding up of the shoulders
against the hips/legs.
I think most of the talk about Moe’s mechanics being more back/spine
friendly is relative to the reduction in impact/post impact rotation of the
body , frankly I have not be an advocate of that line of promotion because
I think personally that keeping the trail foot down through and after
impact actually torques up the spine more that when you release the right
foot/hip at impact and beyond .
Again not being a ‘Spineologist’ I dont know if ‘rotational motion of the
spine through impact is more damaging than ‘side bending’ flexion which
occurs with hip sliding as apposed to hip turning through impact, I know
personally that if I had a bad back I would not want to be driving my lower
spine past my upper spine at impact which is what Moe does in his swing,
and as a result I have said to players that a Hybrid’ Moe swing were the
right heel lifts and the right hip releases a bit can be a swing that has
If you just stand upright with out club in your hands with your feet apart
as you would at Moe’s address position then just slide your hips laterally
with both feet on the ground fully replicating impact position as far as
they will go keeping your head and upper spine in place and stop at the
extremity of the lateral hip slide and feel how much tension there is in
your lower back, then do the same with a conventional turning trail side
hip/leg/foot release through impact and feel the difference of spine
I think you will find clearly the Moe swing has more lumbar/sacrum area
loading than the conventional swing applies, I have just never thought of
Moe’s swing as a ‘Back Saver’ because of the severe ‘side’ bend loadings
that it applies when done to the letter of his swing mechanics .
To be totally honest if I had a lower back problem I wouldn’t be wanting to
side bend my spine more than I vertically rotated it, but that’s just my
personal view, we all feel pressure loadings differently because of
different flexibility factors with different areas of the body, hope that
didn’t destroy your thoughts on Moe’s swing being more beneficial for you
than a conventional swing, the ‘Hybrid’ could be the answer.
+1atomicgolf Many thanks JH – I was feeling a lot of tension in my back
doing the side bending flexion which is why I asked the question. I was
thinking why is my back starting to ache when I’ve been told it is back
friendlier? I must admit , it feels real natural just to post up on my lead
leg to ‘get out of the way’ rather than a slide and left knee over right
toe (while still rotating too ). Just get the feeling that Moe must have
had very flexible hip joints in his swing action (even when he was really
+P SMITH Hi Keith,
I actually have made reference to the great flexibility Moe must have had
in his hip flexors his whole life , he really did amaze me when I first met
him he was 65 years old and he could do a lateral hip slide demo and keep
his head outside his right foot, try doing that sometime and you will see
what I mean.
But really for you if you have any type of back problems you seriously dont
need to be putting lateral anchoring pressures on the lower back and spine
generally, I have no back problems at all now and I certainly had a very
strong and healthy back condition when I started the Moe swing mechanics
way back in 1991 but I noticed even back then if I hit a lot of practice
shots that my back was always sore so I decided back then to bleed some of
the anchoring pressures from the swing process and use a ‘hybrid’ version
that didn’t require me to get as much side flexion in my spine, never
effected my ball striking quality bat all.