16 Responses to “Moe Norman Pivot Axis”

  1. <path_to_url> Chip Satterly

    Many THANKS, JH!
    There is just NO one on youtube (or anywhere else for that matter) that is
    so interesting and effective at looking at the great swings of the past and
    trying to delve more deeply into why they were so EFFECTive.
    And then showing how we can analyze them and adapt some of those
    observations into our own personal golf swings.
    More than anything, you demonstrate that each golfer is unique in so many
    ways and must find a swing that will WORK.

    I understand now even more the frustrations of so many when trying to learn
    the “conventional” ( or traditional “rotational”) golf swing. It’s really,
    REALLY hard!!

    You have a GIFT for recognizing the SIMPLICITY of a technique(s) that
    allows for amazing accuracy and distance.
    Your generosity in providing thought provoking ideas, analysis,
    recommendations and encouragement is unsurpassed!!


    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Chip Satterly Thanks Chip,
      Its all about just loving the game of Golf and the amazing process of
      hitting that little golf ball in so many different ways which so many of
      the great players have that just intrigues me.
      Hitting the ball with many different thoughts and perceived actions is
      relatively easy for me to do on the practice tee as it is for most people
      that hit a lot of balls and have relatively good hand/eye coordination….
      and a lot of people say to me that ‘playing’ golf must be easy for me
      because I don’t have any trouble hitting the ball , I am like everyone else
      when I ‘play’ golf, the ‘course’ is the leveller…..lots of people can hit
      the ball well when practicing because its totally stress free and the brain
      is not under stress to create a ‘score’..’playing’ is the ‘real’ art and
      its the golf course’ accuracy and quality of strike that’s the difference.
      I actually did a video yesterday that I will be putting up today about the
      benefits of ‘proper practice’ as apposed to ‘ multiple ball hitting
      exercise’ …..which most practice sessions are for most people , there is
      an ‘art’ in practicing correctly, and in all the years I have watched
      thousands of people practice I have seen only 2 people that I considered
      practiced correctly, and that includes the best players on the planet, so
      have a look at my practice video, I think it makes a whole lot of sense.
      cheers JH

  2. <path_to_url> Bill Walsh

    My practice is very limited.due to the New York weather. Yesterday we had
    50-60 mph winds, temperatures in the 40 degrees so just short 20 yard chips
    and pitches in the backyard. Looking forward to seeing your practice
    routine. Good to see this moe n single axis. Does this also work for those
    types of shots.?

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Bill Walsh Hi Bill,
      Hey I saw the weather that you guys have been having lately, still getting
      snow in places, we are the same down here but its the ‘hot’ weather that is
      continuing..not the cold.
      The Single vertical axis should be applied to all shots, you will work out
      how much to do it on the shorter shots by trial and error, but really the
      shorter shots should actually get more benefit from the method because you
      will eliminate virtually all lateral movement which you don’t need in short
      shots anyway.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> Birdie Gof

      +1atomicgolf Hi JH. I started teaching myself the Moe Norman swing and
      that’s how I found your videos. When I do it right, holy cow! The sweet
      spot really feels awesome when I hit the ball. I do, however, struggle with
      getting my weight to my front foot (left foot for me) and had that issue
      when I played the conventional swing…my weight falling backwards once I
      make contact with the ball. My buddies tell me that I swing too hard. Do
      you have any drills (Moe Norman swing style) that would help? Thanks for
      all your great instruction!

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +Birdie Gof I think if you really concentrate on keeping your left knee
      bent through impact and feel your left butt cheek is very heavy and wanting
      to stay as low to the ground as you can get it at impact that will help, I
      hit the ball best when I feel I get my left shoulder really low through
      impact, that pulls my whole left side ‘forward’, hope that helps.
      It is as you say an amazing feeling when you do get it right with the Moe
      mechanics, just so solid and and straight.
      cheers JH.

    • <path_to_url> Birdie Gof

      +1atomicgolf Thanks a bunch JH! I’ll be hitting the range after work today
      to work on it. By the way, I tried your “wristy” putting and chipping
      technique yesterday and it worked like a champ. I just have to practice it
      for a while to develop my distance control. Thanks for your reply and all
      your help!

  3. <path_to_url> D Martins

    Jh, I know I’m going off topic but a quick question. With my aneurysm I’m
    trying to shorten my swing and slow it down a bit, would going to a reg
    shaft from a stiff shaft really cause big problems in the swing? I have
    always been a long hitter even at 5’9 and 53 yrs my 9I carry is still
    around 155+ yards. I figured if I try to slow my swing down the reg shaft
    would be better? There isn’t a better teacher out here in the web.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +D Martins I certainly would try a softer shaft absolutely, these days the
      quality of shafts is so good that softer flexes don’t seem to effect
      accuracy at all but certainly give distance gains, I personally now play
      shafts so much softer than I ever have and I have pretty much the same
      strength I had a few years ago.
      In my irons I am playing a Taylormade ( M2 Irons) ‘A’ flex graphite shaft
      and hitting the ball absolute miles and straight as well, today’s Graphite
      shafts have great bend profiles that allow lots of loading with slower
      speed swings , you still have clearly plenty of reserve speed that you can
      sacrifice in the swing length but pick back up with the softer shaft kick
      Thanks for the accolade, all I try to do really is provide
      alternatives/optional ways of swinging a golf club and hopefully players
      can try the options and get a result that ‘they’ can benefit from.
      cheers JH

  4. <path_to_url> P SMITH

    Hi JH – Just bought the Todd Graves book ‘The Single Plane Golf Swing’ but
    just wanted to ask you a quick question. Is the Moe swing action better for
    one’s back than the conventional swing ? Also , have you ever had back
    problems when doing Moe’s swing? I’ve heard that a wide stance puts a lot
    of stress on the hips so getting a bit confused with all the various claims
    out there.


    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +P SMITH Hi Keith,
      Its a bit of a miss understood physical process, if you have your feet a
      long way apart as Moe does and kept your legs straight on the backswing you
      would put a lot of strain on your lower back/lumbar region because the
      straight legs would not let the hip girdle rotate as much as it needs to .
      Moe lets his left leg /knee break into the ball line on his back swing
      which puts flex in that leg and lets the left hip move down and the right
      hip move up and around which takes pressure of the spine during the turn.
      You have to look closely and what you will see is quite a bit of freedom in
      his hip girdle movement on the backswing, with all the millions of ball Moe
      hit over the years he would have ground his spine facets joints into
      fragments if he didn’t have that freedom in his hip girdle to take the
      pressure of his lower spine.
      As I say you have to look very closely and look at the actual softness of
      his hip girdle movement on his backswing, so as long as you dont try to
      keep your legs rigid and your hip girdle stationary in the backswing you
      wont have any back problems, I never have and I have hit probably a million
      balls+ with the Moe swing over the years since 1991.
      Moe’s swing can convey visually the wrong image of how it is supposed to
      work, he looks stiff and rigid because he has so much extension in his legs
      and arms at address, but its only ‘extension’…not ‘rigidity’…he
      actually had amazing softness in his swing action, its just because he
      ‘looks’ stiff and rigid that people people ‘think’ he swings stiff and
      rigid, which he just never did.

      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> P SMITH

      +1atomicgolf Many thanks JH

  5. <path_to_url> P SMITH

    Hi JH – sorry to ask you this question again about Moe’s swing being back
    friendly . I was actually wondering specifically whether there is any truth
    in the claim that setting up at address to mirror impact plane means less
    compression on the spine? I think Todd Graves and Kirk Junge all have You
    Tube videos showing how the spine can be compressed using a conventional
    setup (ie. no rear forearm alignment with club shaft). I’m not a spine
    expert and it all looks logical , but can it be backed up (forgive the pun)
    by any medical evidence?

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +P SMITH Hi Keith, ‘
      I am certainly not a ‘Spineologist’ lol, and as a result I cant say where
      the true loadings are directed , I guess to simplify an explanation of
      spine reduction torque/loadings I just think anytime you are turning your
      torso/shoulders away from the ball at address against any lower body
      resistance you will have a spinal loading taking place at the base of the
      spine predominantly so its not really possible to reduce those type of
      loadings with any swing that incorporates a winding up of the shoulders
      against the hips/legs.
      I think most of the talk about Moe’s mechanics being more back/spine
      friendly is relative to the reduction in impact/post impact rotation of the
      body , frankly I have not be an advocate of that line of promotion because
      I think personally that keeping the trail foot down through and after
      impact actually torques up the spine more that when you release the right
      foot/hip at impact and beyond .
      Again not being a ‘Spineologist’ I dont know if ‘rotational motion of the
      spine through impact is more damaging than ‘side bending’ flexion which
      occurs with hip sliding as apposed to hip turning through impact, I know
      personally that if I had a bad back I would not want to be driving my lower
      spine past my upper spine at impact which is what Moe does in his swing,
      and as a result I have said to players that a Hybrid’ Moe swing were the
      right heel lifts and the right hip releases a bit can be a swing that has
      it benefits.
      If you just stand upright with out club in your hands with your feet apart
      as you would at Moe’s address position then just slide your hips laterally
      with both feet on the ground fully replicating impact position as far as
      they will go keeping your head and upper spine in place and stop at the
      extremity of the lateral hip slide and feel how much tension there is in
      your lower back, then do the same with a conventional turning trail side
      hip/leg/foot release through impact and feel the difference of spine
      I think you will find clearly the Moe swing has more lumbar/sacrum area
      loading than the conventional swing applies, I have just never thought of
      Moe’s swing as a ‘Back Saver’ because of the severe ‘side’ bend loadings
      that it applies when done to the letter of his swing mechanics .
      To be totally honest if I had a lower back problem I wouldn’t be wanting to
      side bend my spine more than I vertically rotated it, but that’s just my
      personal view, we all feel pressure loadings differently because of
      different flexibility factors with different areas of the body, hope that
      didn’t destroy your thoughts on Moe’s swing being more beneficial for you
      than a conventional swing, the ‘Hybrid’ could be the answer.
      cheers Jh

    • <path_to_url> P SMITH

      +1atomicgolf Many thanks JH – I was feeling a lot of tension in my back
      doing the side bending flexion which is why I asked the question. I was
      thinking why is my back starting to ache when I’ve been told it is back
      friendlier? I must admit , it feels real natural just to post up on my lead
      leg to ‘get out of the way’ rather than a slide and left knee over right
      toe (while still rotating too ). Just get the feeling that Moe must have
      had very flexible hip joints in his swing action (even when he was really

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +P SMITH Hi Keith,
      I actually have made reference to the great flexibility Moe must have had
      in his hip flexors his whole life , he really did amaze me when I first met
      him he was 65 years old and he could do a lateral hip slide demo and keep
      his head outside his right foot, try doing that sometime and you will see
      what I mean.
      But really for you if you have any type of back problems you seriously dont
      need to be putting lateral anchoring pressures on the lower back and spine
      generally, I have no back problems at all now and I certainly had a very
      strong and healthy back condition when I started the Moe swing mechanics
      way back in 1991 but I noticed even back then if I hit a lot of practice
      shots that my back was always sore so I decided back then to bleed some of
      the anchoring pressures from the swing process and use a ‘hybrid’ version
      that didn’t require me to get as much side flexion in my spine, never
      effected my ball striking quality bat all.
      cheers Jh