Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Moe Norman
Right foot Down! I forgot all about it. Probably because I play with a
bunch of rotary guys. Going straight to the range to check if it’s rolling
like it should! Gr8 to see you back doing some work on Moe again ;)
+Bjarke Lauridsen Hi Bjarke,
Hey Buddy you don’t need to do a thing to that ‘Moe’ swing of yours, you
have such a great Moe swing for a big tall guy, and the best tempo I have
ever seen , man I wish I had your swing ‘flow’, for all the guys that like
Moe’s swing they should have a look at your swing on your channel, its
certainly worth looking at.
Hi JH – Was Moe’s short game good? I’ve never seen any videos of him
playing out of greenside bunkers or chips and putting. Also wondering how
he managed trajectory in his golf swing.
+P SMITH Hi Keith,
Moe’s short game was incredible, there was a video of him in a bunker
hitting shots that showed his action but it has been taken down, I think
the Graves guys took it down which is a pity because it shows his action
and how he was just a ‘skimmer’ of the sand.
Trajectory was a ‘thought’ process for him, if he wanted a ‘high’ soft
pitch he just threw the club head ‘up’..if he wanted a low shot he just
kept the club head ‘down…he said he just did the trajectory by ‘hand
height through the ball’..high shot ..”high hands’…low shot ..’low
hands’ through the ball.
He never gave me any other insight as to how he managed trajectory other
than that, and frankly that’s how I have always played my shots since I met
Moe, its amazing how effective it is , the real secret I know is the
movement of weight/mass with the thought process as well, for the ‘high’
shot sure the hands go up but the upper body stays back as well, for the
‘low’ shot the chest stays ‘low’ though the shot.
Even though for Moe it was just a thought process his body responded
automatically to the hand trajectory requirements.
cheers JH PS I will do something on trajectory in the the coming Moe videos.
+1atomicgolf Many thanks JH for answering all my many questions. One thing
I noticed is that by you restricting the release of your right side , you
ended up flipping the wrists just past impact (just like Count Yogi – lol
). Maybe that’s why it went so far .
+P SMITH Hi Keith,
I normally just let my wrists release in a slinging up motion in my normal
Golf swing, always have, and I think that’s why I have always been a
straight hitter, for me trying to flat left wrist the shot through impact
make it feel for me that the club head is slowing down, I just like the
‘flip’ type feeling, after impact that is.
Do you have the sensation that the hips never square up?
+Thomas Slagle Hi Thomas,
Not so much that they don’t square up but more of just trying to stay shut
at impact….the best ever striking session I have ever had was when I felt
my hips keep turning to the right on the downswing , sort of like I just
kept my backswing hips feeling on the downswing, not easy to get but when
you do its amazing.
Glad to see the Moe stuff back JH.
+Michael Saif Hi Mike,
Moe will always get some time and exposure.
Hi JH – i am getting confused about golfing terminology regarding hitting ,
pulling , pushing , etc. Because the hands are always ahead of the clubhead
then I assume that they are pulling the handle. But that rear arm lever is
the conundrum for me. Is it a passive lever release or an active one? If
one was just using the weight of the clubhead via gravity to power the
swing (ie. potential energy to kinetic energy) then I would imagine it
would be a passive release of rear arm lever. But if one wanted to create a
bit more whipping action through the ball , are we actively pulling more
via the arms (with a passive rear arm lever release) or are we activating
the rear tricep to straighten out that lever ? The activation of the tricep
would be a pushing action onto the hands but the hands would be effectively
pulling the clubhead (if you get what I mean?). Obviously the tricep muscle
must get activated subconsicously at collision to brace the impact,
stabilise the clubhead and ensure more efficient transfer of momentum to
the ball (ie. reduce an elastic collision back through the hands) . But did
Moe activate that tricep much earlier in the swing or was it a pure pulling
motion with both arms and a passive release of the leverage until impact
(when tricep fires up automatically)?
+P SMITH The Golf swing for Moe was like any other structurally well formed
swing sequenced process, in that the lead side body components preceded the
trail side body components because of hierarchical torque release
requirements in reverse order of the torque storage factor.
Because Moe coiled so strongly his torque storage levels were very high and
as a resultant the release requirement was equally as strong so he was
always going to have a ‘lead’ side bias as to that of a ‘pulling’ factor as
apposed to a ‘throwing or gravity’ based trail side activation .
He was of course left handed as well which meant his entire lead side body
componentry was his strongest/dominant side and his left hand/arm being his
strongest enabled him to activate that side naturally as a first responder
Moe pulled harder with his lead hand/arm than most people because he was
left handed but the reality is that in any swing it is the trail triceps
and forearm muscles that create the majority of club head speed and power,
the straightening of the trail forearm by the trail triceps around the
trail wrist hinge accounts for about 76% of all club head speed developed,
I can give you the breakdown of the specific body components as speed
producers if you want them.
Remember the trail humerus has to be activated from the top of the swing
before the triceps get into the act, and the muscles that do that are the
..latissimus dorsi/teres major/ coracobrachialis/subscapularis and the
pectoralis major, all very powerful muscle groups which if not preceded in
activation by the lead side muscle groups will totally overwhelm the
correct application sequencing of the club head into the ball.
To capsulize every swing must have a ‘pulling’ component , whether it is a
predominant body component like the lead knee/hip or the lead hand/arm….
it has to be a lead ‘something’…and invariably in a golf swing to get
lead’ you need some form of ‘pulling’.
+1atomicgolf Many thanks again JH for that detailed answer – fantastic
stuff . Maybe you need to write a book yourself about the Moe Norman swing.
+P SMITH Hi Keith,
The Golf book I want to write is ….’The Golf Swing ‘Everyone’ Can Use’…
trouble is I haven’t worked out what that swing is… yet, but I think I am
Hi JH……I am really enjoying your videos. I am converting to the Moe
swing and am having good results with the full swing. Pitch shots is my
downfall. Those 35-60 yard less than full swing shots are killing my game.
Full swing, chipping, and putting are all decent. Did Moe use his same
basic mechanics for the pitch shot also?
I have looked at your other pitching videos, but am getting confused
between the Moe mechanics and your other pitching methods. I would like to
simplify and go full Moe mechanics for all shots. If you have a video
addressing Moe’s pitching method could you please point me to a link. I’m a
68 year old who has been playing for about 5-6 years.
Thanks for all you efforts to help your fellow golfers.
+Forney Johnson Hi Forney,
The secret with Pitching the ball with the Moe method is to not be as
structurally rigid in the pitching setup as the long shot setup, a lot of
people get to wide with the stance and stand to far away from the ball as
they see in Moe’s full swing type.
The pitching setup is much softer and Moe was closer to the ball as well,
in fact he gripped his wedges down a lot so he could get closer to the ball
with the pitch shots.
I guess the way to get the pitch shot distance from the ball feeling is to
hit some shots with your feet together with the single axis Moe setup then
just gradually move your feet apart until you have the balance required to
hit the shots with the power you need for that 35/60 distance, you will
find your setup distance from the ball with the feet together drill.
As with all pitch shots you need to be considerably closer to the ball than
the normal swing requires in order that the club swing more vertically
through the ball which gives the accuracy factor required for the short
Its a common problem for players learning the Moe swing mechanics to stand
to far away from the ball with the pitch shots and have the stance way to
wide, I will do a video on that aspect of the Moe swing in the next few
days, I dont remember doing one before.
+1atomicgolf Thanks mate,,,I really appreciate the reply, and I think you
may be right about the distance to the ball factor. It makes sense that the
further away from the ball, the greater the chance for error.
BTW, I love the videos from the “paddock”….I keep waiting for a couple of
Roos to come hopping by the practice tee!!
+Forney Johnson ‘The ‘Paddock’ is a fun place , when I have high students
fly in for lessons for the first time I take them out to the ‘Paddock’ and
the look on their faces is so funny because most of the time there are cows
just a few meters away and the grass is ankle high ,but its amazing how
they all love the uniqueness of the paddock environment for hitting shots.
If you watched some of my videos from last year when I was doing my videos
from my country property you would have seen roos , they used to sit by the
practice tee while I hit balls, I will be doing the Moe pitching video
maybe this afternoon or tomorrow so just look at the channel over the next
day or so.