Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Davinci Code Golf
Hi JHIf the nail was in the ball what direction would you be looking to hit
the nail ?regardsTony
In my own case I would be hitting the nail at about 7 degrees in to out
because my shoulders are closed that amount at impact, and the nail for me
is positioned on the equator of the ball, not the bottom.
Looks (and sounds) like: SLIDE/PULL/SLAP!!
Slide/Pull/Slap definitely comparable….but the ‘Slap’ has to be at
precisely the right time after the pull.
I agree JH. I need lots of practice before I trust this completely.
Hi Pat, Wait until you try it in the bunker , its an absolute hoot.
I love it. More evidence of the principle that the best golf instruction is
to do the opposite of what traditional golf instruction says. Don’t use
your hands – fire your hands as hard as you can!
I remember Seve said to me once that its impossible to hit to hard with the
trail hand if you do it only 6 inches from the ball, didn’t Hogan say do
the ‘opposite’ of what you think you should do in The Golf Swing and you
will be close to the right swing”…for me the pitching has come alive, its
scary how hard the ball comes off the face on short pitches and how much
spin you can get, I saw that in Moe and it always fascinated me, he even
did it on his bunker shots, I tried today and its amazing, i will have to
do a video on it to show the result it gives.
Actually JH , you demonstrated how easy it is to generate momentum closer
to the ball when you did the Count Yogi chipping/pitching . Yogi basically
just held lightly with his left hand while letting his right wrist act as a
fulcrum and power source.
ps. I still find the Yogi pitching/chipping less risky than conventional
techniques but distance control can be difficult if your timing is off.
There are ‘Ways’ and there are ‘More’ ways to swing the club and generate
great impact and accuracy, Yogi is as you say a perfect example the exact
opposite of the ‘look’ of Intent in his pitching action, whereas Moe
‘clearly’ looks like his is really accelerating the club head in his pitch
shots Yogi does not, yet he still has the same basic dynamics going on,
that being trail hand dominance of significance prior to impact.
I have had amazing days with Yogi pitching but like you I feel the
looseness and excessive hanging over a short swing span of travel is hard
to control distance wise constantly, but doesn’t this highlight how many
variances you can have in technique and still get amazing results.
Talking about chipping, have you noticed how ordinary Martin Kaymer is as a
chipper/short pitcher of the ball, he really did on occasions in the Open
look like a club golfer with his chipping, he almost looks a bit ‘Yippy’
with them , I have seen the weakness in him for a long time and it was
interesting to hear the commentators like Tony Johnstone comment about it
as well ,but then Lee Westwood has been probably the worst chipper/short
pitcher of the ball in world Golf for ever, he is only marginally better
these days which is such a shame because he is in my top 5 ball strikers of
current players .
I dont know why players do not seek out specialist short game coaches for
help in those areas,Lee is not an easy guy to teach generally from what I
hear so if a short game guru told him he was awful at chipping/pitching he
probably wouldnt work with the guy, when that’s exactly the type of coach
Cheers JH – My short game is woeful . My playing partner said I was driving
the ball the best he’d ever seen (for me!) but I still hit 94 (about 15
shots dropped within 10-50 yards from flag). Very frustrating.
JH…are you saying that the wrists are “active” and not passive at that
point in the swing? That you forcibly use you wrists to snap the club?
Hi – JH
So from a TGM standpoint , could Moe be defined as a right arm swinger?
This sort of reminds me of the Tom Tomasello videos on You Tube (Chapters 1
– 9) which imho are quite excellent. He also stresses a late hit with the
right hand at around the same point where he sets his wrists early in the
takeaway (almost immediately from his address positon). Maybe Moe saying he
pulled hard with left hand/arm made people think he was a left hand
Moe is certainly a left hand/arm ‘leader’ into impact but he just hammers
the ball with the right hand as well, he is a rare category ., can we call
him a ‘Left Hand Leader.. Right Hand Finisher’…..or something along those
lines, he is definitely a ‘Combo’ of both left and right hands/arms
hi jh as i have said before i was working on bryson de swing and this move
with the hands pulled it altogether for me .also my pitching
Glad you are making progress, I am disappointed Bryson D hasn’t kicked on
of late, I thought he could win a tournament virtually straight away
because his striking is so incredible, its of course still very early days,
I think he will win this year for sure, and it wouldnt surprise me if it
was next week frankly.
I worry that Bryson has become VERY distracted since the Master’s. He is
very involved COMMERCIALLY now with Puma, is working on changing his irons
He is very young and will be easily swayed by outside influences.
He MUST focus on HIS golf and NOT all the outside temptations.
I remember Lee Janzen with a great swing and incredible putter who after
winning the US Open (!!!) changed his clubs to make some easy money. He was
never the same again.
No reason for Bryson not to make the cut at the Canadian Open.
He has two sponsor’s exemptions left and still needs to make a lot of money
to earn a card for next year.
Otherwise he will have to go to the Web.com finals to try and qualify that
Like yourself, i thought he would be a lot more CONSISTENT with that single
I saw him interviewed at length about his swing evolution and his club
design etc, he appeared to be an incredibly grounded and mature person
generally, but of course that was before his big money hook up with
Cobra/Puma, the other tragedy of course was Rich Beem, he was playing the
house down with those Taylormade graphite irons and after the PGA major win
succumbed to the big money from I think it was Callaway and he disappeared
overnight…never to return.
He was the player that Jack Nicklaus made that famous comment about..’Its
amazing what people will do for money’.
I would have thought that with the technical resources of Cobra that they
would have in fact come up with at least as good if not better clubs as the
Edel ones he was playing with , I hope its only a temporary hiccup, the
world of Pro Golf needs his type of difference out there.
yes jh this agreat revelation for my golf swing,can’t wait to get back to
course as time is limited.this has really cleared some thing up.good days
to sir and thank you.
Thanks for all the great videos. Correct me if I’m wrong but the “Moe
Swing” you are teaching in this video has a lot in common with the one in
the “Short Controlled Acceleration Swing” video.
The emphasis of getting the club head really going into the ball at impact
fast in a ‘hitting’ manner’ is in the ‘Short Controlled Acceleration Swing’
…the difference being in Moe’s particle swing there is a definite
‘pulling’ with the lead hand to set the trail hand up for the last instance
In the S.C.A.S. swing there is more ‘specific’ emphasis on just shortening
up the swing length and making a very concerted effort to fire the club
head through the ball as fast as possible, but of course not with the
lateral slide component and the right foot down at impact , but there is a
‘similar’ emphasis at and through the ball with the club head.
I took 3 Natural Golf schools. No instructor could break 80. “I asked” You
teach the essence of the great man’s swing. Thanks.
I dont know who your instructors were , at Todd Graves school his brother
is a very well credentialed player and had a successful playing career,
Todd himself played a bit on the mini tours as well, I think they can still
I remember in the early days of the ‘Natural Golf’ promotion of Moe there
were a lot of Schools around the place that had instructors that were
probably not well credentialed as players , I know the original Instructor
Scott Hazeldine was a former good Tour player , but I did hear a lot of the
same comment as yours about some of the instructors , but I think when
Natural Golf went bust and Todd Graves open his schools the instruction
became much more professional.
Todd can demonstrate Moe’s swing in a version of pretty high quality , as
can his brother, his instructors today I would think would be high level
expertise teachers because Todd is very discerning about the reputation of
Moe’s swing and how it is demonstrated, he seems to be very busy these days
which is usually a sign that he is providing a good quality of teaching.
Another important factor to why he hit it so straight is also because of
his setup and simple takeaway that made hitting top position easier than
golf swing genuis.left arm steers the motion and right side hinge fires it
though.atrue intint for a older guy who found golf latter in year playin
with the younger men off the long box .exellent jh .
Moe absolutely was a ‘genius’…. the lead with the ‘ lead hand/arm’ and
hit with the ‘trail’ hand has been around forever , but the genius of Moe
was the isolating the timing as he did to that last instant where you drop
the pulling and apply the hitting is the ‘genius’ factor.
What is the name of the book? I know you said the name of it in the other
video but I couldn’t understand it.
‘Golf Reform Is At Hand’……its not a book with any great instructional
value, it just gives some background of Moe and the Natural Golf company
and Jack Kuykendall who brought Moe to prominence late in his life, there
is some stuff that may be of interest but as an instructional info book it
is not much value.
As a Moe Norman fan, I love your videos and your simple swing. In this
video, you are talking about the smash factor at impact.
In the link below to my photobucket album is a screen shot of Moe’s hand
action at impact from a video posted online I was able to capture at that
I tried to do it with your hand impact position but you were too far away
and the frames were too jumpy.
I hope the link works – http://s117.photobucket.com/user/jaynethecat/library/Golf
1st link didn’t work.
2nd try at the link to the photo moatimpact
As you can see by the two frozen frames at Moe’s impact release point by
looking at the stretch in his watch band, his left wrist is slightly bowed
and right wrist bent backward and then goes to straight at impact. You can
see at impact his wrist and watch band is now normal with no stretched
Moe would be in a stronger position than me because he has so much pull
compared to me, I release the storage way earlier than Moe but I am now
actually hitting more at impact because of picking up on the last instant
intention, I the real evidence of Moe’s smas factor can be clearly seen in
his small distance pitch shots and bunker shots, its way slower in speed
but clearly the same intention factor and its way easier to see at the
Glad the videos are of interest to you.
I Dunno – your action looks pretty similar to Hogan and Moe moving into
You are very kind to compare me to Hogan, but I think any comparison of Me
and anyone named Hogan would have to to ‘Paul Hogan’…not ‘Ben
Hogan’…..my swing gets as many laughs as his jokes though, I have some
stuff coming up tomorrow that may be of interest to you, I am applying
‘All’ the ‘Moe Particle’ components into one ‘Complete’ package, you might
get a kick out of it.
This looks interesting and I look forward to studying this series in
detail. My initial reaction is to be skeptical for the following reason.
Anything that you have to “time” in the split second of a downswing will be
subject to variation and error. You seem to say that the firing of the
right hand must be timed such that it is done when the club head is almost
to the ball. I cannot possibly see how anyone can control that unless they
are a freak with that natural ability. What are you doing that allows you
to time the right hand firing with such precision?
I ran into the same frustration with those who teach Hogan’s swing when
they said you have to roll your wrist from cocked back, to flat, to bowed
forward during the bottom half of the downswing. Sounds simple but darn
near impossible to time.
Clearly I dont time the last instant application of the right hand hammer
action every time, but I ‘try’ to, its an ‘intention’ rather than a
definite reality , I agree its tough to time the process I am advocating
every time but if you stick at it you will have good success , as I said I
definitely dont time every impact to the degree I want to but I do get
enough of the intention most times to produce good results for me.
Hogan actually had almost an identical external rotation of his right
Humerus and the palm up forearm rotation coming down which gave him his
acute ‘pitch’ right elbow look at hip height on the down swing.
I understand the difficulty you experienced with the Hogan mechanics but
like all the specific instructions on particular component applications you
have to blend ‘all’ of them to suit your application capabilities, it
always difficult to blend ‘parts’ of a swing together.
I hate to be dense but could you break down what you are doing (or feeling)
with the right arm and hand as part of the “hammer” motion? Just wondering
if the hand is just being shoved at the ball or if there is some “rotation”
involved. I.E. is there internal rotation of the upper arm similar to a
sidearm baseball pitcher? Or are you just straightening your right elbow
with the feeling of just pushing your right palm straight into the ground?
And is the right hand grip a strong, weak, or somewhere in the middle
Missed this post from you until today, if you had a long hammer in your
right hand and you wanted to hammer a nail perfectly straight into the ball
just below its equator and just of center towards you how would you have to
hold the hammer handle as a configuration of grip, just get a hammer in
your hand and mimic the action you would need to drive the nail into the
ball, that’s how you need to feel the delivery of the club head to the
ball, what happens after impact is just velocity rotation taking effect
with a proper golf club.