Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Moe Norman
More great stuff JH. This and the last video have helped a lot. I’m hitting
the ball better more of the time and starting to figure more out about the
swing. Love it. Thanks.
Guys like yourself that are well coordinated from a physical point of view
because as is in your instance your high level soccer/football
playing/association can adapt to things pretty quickly it would seem, its
great that you can look at something in my vids and go out and apply as
quickly as you do, that is so rare in golf swing learning, especially with
Moe type mechanics, love your enthusiasm.
+1atomicgolf It’s amazing the little things I have picked up from you that
have helped. Throwing the club back, forward lateral move, left arm pulling
the swing down. All have helped me a lot. I now I feel l know a lot more
about what I should be doing on the practice tee and can see improvements.
Always happy to hear about ‘Improvement’..
is it like a tee ball baseball action that’s what im seeing
+dano11000 Never thought of it that way before but I suppose it has an
element of the T Ball process when you come to think of it., you know its
interesting you bring this up, years ago when I had my teaching
facility/driving range I used to do some clinics hitting trick shots and
other stuff and I actually used a 3ft tee to hit balls from, when I think
back I had to use a ‘T Ball type action hitting off that tee, ok the ball
in a normal golf swing is on the ground with irons and only in the air a
bit with woods but I feel when doing the Moe swing that there is a strong
element of the T Ball action in the swing.
+1atomicgolf where are you based now
+dano11000 my club comes out over my right shoulder how can I get it across
my right elbow or bicep like moe I notice yours is slightly lower again
more thru the right elbow,,,seems I have to lower it and flatten it out
,,,can I email u the photo
+dano11000 SURE YOU CAN EMAIL ME THE PHOTO, MY EMAIL IS
..JHENSBY1@GMAIL.COM…DO YOU HAVE ANY VIDEO OF YOUR SWING AS WELL.
+dano11000 I live on the North Coast of NSW state in Australia.
Great stuff. I’ve been trying to use Mo’s style and sometimes it works and
sometimes not. This shows me why it doesn’t work. I’ve been so
indoctrinated into the “normal” golf swing that I’ve been fighting myself.
I didn’t know that you “throw” the swing back and aim the club end at the
ball on the downswing.
+Lynn Carroll Hi Lynn, as mentioned below in my replies to the other guys
the video I will be doing this week will have some specific reference to
the ‘back swing throwing’ aspect of Moe”s mechanics… the good thing is
that I will be elaborating on how the ‘throwback’ if done correctly will
set the butt end of the club at the ball automatically because of reactive
loading mechanics of the ‘throwback’, I think it will be quite informative
for everyone how in fact there can be an ‘automatic’
loading/setting/delivery’ process for the club head.
ball position at the setup seems a bit towards to the right foot. Can you
show us a correct ball position?
+Edward Choi Hi Edward,
For me ball position is a specific individual thing…it depends on how
much you move forward during the down stroke or stay back, whether you have
a steep attack angle or a shallow attack angle, I just advise players to
hit shots until they impact the ball at the ‘bottom’ of ‘their’ swing arc,
wherever that is should be where you position the ball.
My ball position will look somewhat back most times because I never
position my camera correctly at 90 degs to myself, and as well with the Moe
setup I am into my back swing at address which looks like the ball is
further back than it really is, but generally I don’t advocate a specific
ball position, you will know when its right when you start hitting the ball
consistently solid and with the correct divot depth for your swing type.
Happy New Year from Wilson, N.C.
I really enjoyed this dtl video and I’m learning a lot about Moe and your
adaptation of his swing priciples for golfers who are trying to improve
their games. I am just plain TIRED of NOT being able to STRIKE the ball
“Conventional” teaching and lessons have just left me incredibly
A question today: You play the ball completely OUTside the toe of your
club. Do you feel that this helps you EXTEND the arms to the ball? Tape on
my club face shows that I consistently PULL my hands/clubface IN towards my
body. I know this is a big problem. If I place the ball outside the club
toe, I would probably miss the ball completely with my current swing.
A recent video clip shows that I have the classic chicken wing action of my
left arm with extremely poor strikes.
+Chip Satterly Hi Chip,
You know so many people over the years have asked me why I have the driver
head inside the ball at address, and it wasn’t until someone actually
mentioned it that I knew that I did it, clearly it had been an instinctive
thing that came about because of the brain/body’s way of balancing
requirement against individual body processes.
What I mean there is that I clearly wanted to hit the ball in the center of
the club face and because of my individual body balance requirements my
brain worked out that because my arms had some slack in them at address
that slack would be taken up by radial velocity and my arms would
straighten and get longer at impact.
Your admission of you probably missing the ball if you positioned the club
head inside of the ball at address is very symptomatic of the resultant
chicken wing you get through the ball now.
The chicken wing is clearly an indicator you are pulling your arms/hands
‘into’ your body through impact , just try turning your left ( if you are
right handed that is) hand/forearm ‘down’ towards the ground through impact
with the left thumb sort of mimicking a sideways/downward hitchhiking
action, when the left hand/forearm turn down in this manner it actually
pushes the left elbow into the body and keeps it ‘down’ through impact, as
apposed to the way it now moves up and away from the body through impact.
Just try a few short 50 yard shots with a wedge and concentrate on keeping
your shoulders closed through impact and rotate the left hand/forearm down
towards the ground as hard as you can through the ball at the same time
letting the club head release low and left ‘around’ your body, that will
give you the feeling of the left elbow folding into the body after impact
as apposed to it getting away and ‘up’ after impact.
Thanks, JH. Maybe you could think about doing a Q/A type video with some
demonstrations of some of your answers to reader questions.
Meantime, I’ll be in the park across from my house tomorrow trying to get
that “hitch hiker” L thumb going in a better position!
Some real gems in here. I go back quite a ways studying Moe’s technique.
Beginning in 1991 when Tommy Tomasello let me view his extensive library of
Moe’s clinics in Myrtle Beach. I’ve never heard Moe describe his back swing
in this manner but I can see that is what he actually looked like he was
doing. Of course some of his advice could be taken too literally as when he
describes his “vertical drop”. I’ m quite sure he felt this is what he was
doing (Harry Vardon also felt that his arms dropped vertically…) But in
actuality this did not happen. He did indeed swing down tangentially as you
say. My own teacher constantly reminds me to swing down diagonally towards
the ball. Pretty much what you are saying John. You are also correct that
when one drops the arms vertically, they trail the body so much that you
are forced to flip it in order to catch up and make any sort of decent
contact. Keep up the great work.
+john Mule Hi John,
Tom Tomasello… now there was a guy that knew how the traditional Golf
swing should be applied, he was a great teacher/educator of golf Swing
mechanics, and a great guy as well.
Moe did extoll some things about his swing that you really shouldn’t take
on board…like when he says he drives the club head ‘straight’ down the
target line…he released the club head left of impact as much as anyone
else ever did, the difference in ‘feel’ for Mooe that he did that was
because of his lateral slide action, that made him feel as if the club head
was being forced down the line further than normal which it clearly didn’t
do as the video shot from directly above him shows graphically
But as we all know ..’feel is never real’ in the Golf Swing…the other
thing I think creates problems for people trying to learn Moe’s swing is
his reference to the club head being extended 41 inches back along the
ground on the back swing… he never remotely did that, in fact his
ignition move in his Golf Swing was to pull his right elbow straight back
around his rib cage as his backswing process, totally the ‘opposite’ of
what he said he ‘did’.
But none of that matters …as long as you don’t try to emulate those
things when learning Moe’s mechanics.
Good Morning JH,In this video it looks like your right elbow is close to
your right rib on the backswing. Am I right? Secondly, you do “slide” on
the downswing, right? Thanks
My right upper arms are not as extended as Moe Norm’s were so my right
elbow gets closer to the rib cage earlier than Moe’s was, but my general
swing thought is to just pull my right elbow straight back from the ball
around my lower rib cage, fold the right arm as much as I can as early as I
can on the backswing.
I do slide laterally with the Moe swing but not as much as Moe himself did,
the slide puts emphasis on the hips remaing facing the ball at impact as
apposed to turning them away from the ball line at impact.
jh I’ve won tourneys and club championships with a moe action but am
continually trying to improve. …you’re videos are awesome.
Of course my videos of Moe are just the way I interpreted his swing and the
way I could apply his type of swing mechanics to ‘myself’…..Moe clearly
had a different look to his swing than anything I do but I think for us
mere mortals we can improve our ball striking by incorporating the essence
of his swing into our swings.
How we apply the the ‘different bits’ to our swing is a personal thing
because of physicalities and general differences etc. but overall I think
any swing can be improved with Moe’s general swing mechanics….glad you
get something from the videos.
+1atomicgolf I took a lot of these tips straight to the course today and
just hit lasers all over the place. I shot 70 and it would be been a 66 if
I could putt! keep up the great work. cheers from Mt Vernon, Illinois.
+1atomicgolf I’m a big boy 6’2 250 lbs and I use a split grip so I do draw
the ball a little. I just put a swing on YouTube Jabo does jh/moe Norman
hybrid. take a look!
Thats a great swing, nice rhythm and flow, anytime you can shoot under par
with any swing it has to be the one to the one to keep and cultivate, its
good to see the swing in action, you clearly have put a lot of work into
Moe mechanics yourself before, great wok.
That should read ‘Work’…..not ‘Wok’….
JH, was Moes exact words “You have to throw it back?”
Thanks for answer.
‘Just Throw The Club Head Back There Somewhere…..never try to position
it’… he clearly was trying to get across that the club had to position
itself by pure inertia and momentum in order to achieve the ‘same’ position
every time….if you try and ‘place’ the club you will position it
differently every time.
+1atomicgolf Perfect, so important inside information. Only place in the
world.Thanks so much!!
ps. Maybe you should do a mini book about all the little things Moe said
I’d buy it atleast.
Looks like your stance is really closed.
My stance is always a bit closed, especially at impact , that’s because
with my normal Moe type mechanics I want low hands/arms on the back swing
to get me swinging ‘around’ my body..not above’ it.
.. Thanks for the reply!! Love watching your vids 🙂
Enjoyed watching this video, I will try to not worry about the backswing
the next time I practice
i have tried Moe’s way of hitting the ball and it works great,for a short
while,then the swing just disintegrates.it is the different back swing as
opposed to the “conventional” way of swinging that i have trouble with.i
also don’t feel as relaxed either.i have adopted the swing Brian sparks is
advocating,lifting the left heel in the back swing,lowering the swing plane
and the same ball position for all clubs,in the middle of the stance. but
each to their own…when all said and done its what happens at impact that
Its ‘All’ about what works for ‘You’……we all have different physicality
and comfort zones so you should always go with a swing type that gives you
results that are acceptable and better than what you have been using before.
The Brian Sparks method is certainly an easy on the body type of swing, I
agree with what you say about impact…..providing the ball goes where you
want it to ‘after’ impact.
+1atomicgolf having said that i just went out to the local driving range
and tried the moe swing again,this time after i received a tip from kirk
junge about leading wrist position,which should be flat…and i hit 90% of
them dead straight! including the 3 wood which i normally have problems
Kirk has done lot of stuff with Moe’s swing….he has a lot of very good
tips and explains them well.
+1atomicgolf thanks big fella,i’m in tassie by the way…all the best to
Great place Tassie, haven’t been there for 30 years, keep telling myself to
get over there again…I could live there no trouble, especially with the
cost of real estate on the mainland now,.
I nearly bought a house at Sandy Bay that was for sale at a crazy low price
back then, the same house today would be worth at least 1.5 million, which
is still a crazy low price compared to over here on the mainland ,the same
type of house over here on the waterfront would be 4/5 million, I might see
about a visit over there again soon.