16 Responses to “More Important Moe Bits no2”

  1. <path_to_url> Thomas Thomast

    I wish you could do the back flip in slow motion. i think it is the Hogan

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      I will do the ‘Back-flip’ action, in slow motion,there is certainly an
      element of what Hogan did but even more of a rearward action as a thought
      than his move.
      cheers JH

  2. <path_to_url> freddy

    When you do the “back flip” do you feel like you use your right arm muscles
    to deliberately roll (supinate) your right forearm so that the right wrist
    points up to the sky? It seems to me it would have to be a deliberate
    muscular action of the right arm since you said your left hand squeeze is a
    “20” on a scale of 10. When I hold me left hand grip that firmly the club
    wants to point to the sky during the swing.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      The feeling is very deliberate…my right thumb wants to point down to the
      ground 90 degs to the ball target line if you can visualize that action.
      If you put your left arm straight out in front of your horizontal to the
      ground with no pressure in your hand and rotate it through its total radial
      range of motion then grip your fingers together as tight as you can and do
      the same you will find the range of motion is the same, forearm flexor
      muscles do not inhibit forearm range of motion, it will feel like it does
      but it doesn’t in actual fact.
      Grip pressure is a personal thing for sure, Moe gripped it very tight with
      his left hand, not everyone has to do that, it felt very different for me
      first up and felt inhibiting in terms of motion range but I got over that
      feeling quickly and it doesn’t effect me anymore, just try it for a while,
      you will be surprised how it comes on line.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> freddy

      very helpful visualizations! thanks.

  3. <path_to_url> freddy

    One more question, with this flatter than standard plane coming into the
    ball, do you ideally need clubs with a flatter than standard lie angle? I
    once heard that Hogan used clubs that were 6 or 7 degrees flat to
    facilitate his swing. Not sure about Moe.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Moes clubs were actually more upright than standard to facilitate his high
      extended arms/ hands at address, the ‘back-flip/Under plane’ is not as
      severe as it feels and as you can see in any video of Moe coming into
      impact his hands/arms are still high and extended, you dont need flatter
      cheers JH

  4. <path_to_url> Jerry Wilson

    jh I remember a moe disciple appearing on The Big Break and he said he
    feels like he’s serving a tray of drinks on the way down….sounds like the
    back flip move!

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Jerry, my feeling is that the drinks on the waiters tray would be
      sliding off the tray at angle backwards at 90 degs to the ball/target line.
      right thumb really trying to point backwards to the ground, heel pad of the
      right hand upwards and at the ball/target line, its a radical feeling for
      sure, and mostly it is way more feeling than actuality.
      Its not easy for sure and you will feel you are going to wipe the shot big
      time first up , but you must just remember to get the left hand/forearm
      rotating very hard coming into and through the ball, I rotate both hands
      and forearms very hard as soon as I start the downswing, and so did Moe
      contrary to popular belief.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> Jerry Wilson

      +1atomicgolf I’m a scratch player but since consciously thinking of the
      back flip I simply haven’t missed a fairway in a week. Unbelievable
      straightness if you already have a Moe type swing. I can’t wait to bring
      home the club championship. Thank you so much for the help. Cheers from

  5. <path_to_url> freddy

    JH, I think I found a good explanation about why what you call the “atomic
    particle” works so well. In the below video starting about 4 minutes in,
    Monte Scheinblum explains how deliberately firing the right hand
    automatically causes the body to speed up the right arm such that shaft
    lean at impact is maintained.
    (at 6:28 his pitch shot looks very similar to your pitch shots with the

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Freddy,
      Monte is a very good coach, fantastic simple clearly explained information
      and he has IMO the best swing of any You Tube coach by far, his explanation
      relative to the point you highlight is absolutely correct, I have never
      seen Monte give out any advice that I didn’t agree with, he knows his
      stuff, and can demonstrate it as well.
      cheers JH

  6. <path_to_url> freddy

    JH, how doable is this swing if you have very limited grip strength
    particularly in the lead hand? I have a permanent injury to my index finger
    on my lead hand and I cannot squeeze the grip very hard. Because of this,
    in order to avoid casting the club into the ground which is my repeating
    nemesis, I have had to adopt a more vertical swing with hands up high at
    the top of the back swing. It seems to me you need a good amount of grip
    strength to pull off flatter planed golf swings.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Freddy,
      You dont ‘need’ Moe’s super tight grip pressure..you only need enough to
      create the lead pulling action.. the simplest way to do that is completely
      soften the right hand grip at address to virtually zero and keep it that
      way until right at impact, that will enable even a weak left hand grip to
      be able to pull in the downswing, just kill the right hand pressure to the
      extent the left has more..no matter what level of ‘more’ that is.
      cheers JH.

  7. <path_to_url> freddy

    JH, do you have any wrist angle between your left arm and the club shaft at
    address or are you trying to hold them in a straight line like Moe?

    Also, at address you look like your head is back over the right knee. Is
    that head location at address important? It looks like your head position
    combined with teeing the ball way forward gives you a shoulder tilt of at
    least 3 or 4 inches and a spine that is tilted noticeably to the right
    instead of straight forward over the ball as in a more traditional swing.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Freddy,
      I dont have the straight line relationship of my left arm and club shaft as
      Moe does, that’s just my personal application, because I want to set up in
      a closed position at address and be in that position at impact I set my
      head back to pre program that, if you look at Moe he has a lot of spine
      tilt to the right coming into and at impact, if I’ could’ keep my head back
      over my right knee at impact like Moe I would be very happy.
      cheers JH