Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Moe Norman
I wish you could do the back flip in slow motion. i think it is the Hogan
I will do the ‘Back-flip’ action, in slow motion,there is certainly an
element of what Hogan did but even more of a rearward action as a thought
than his move.
When you do the “back flip” do you feel like you use your right arm muscles
to deliberately roll (supinate) your right forearm so that the right wrist
points up to the sky? It seems to me it would have to be a deliberate
muscular action of the right arm since you said your left hand squeeze is a
“20” on a scale of 10. When I hold me left hand grip that firmly the club
wants to point to the sky during the swing.
The feeling is very deliberate…my right thumb wants to point down to the
ground 90 degs to the ball target line if you can visualize that action.
If you put your left arm straight out in front of your horizontal to the
ground with no pressure in your hand and rotate it through its total radial
range of motion then grip your fingers together as tight as you can and do
the same you will find the range of motion is the same, forearm flexor
muscles do not inhibit forearm range of motion, it will feel like it does
but it doesn’t in actual fact.
Grip pressure is a personal thing for sure, Moe gripped it very tight with
his left hand, not everyone has to do that, it felt very different for me
first up and felt inhibiting in terms of motion range but I got over that
feeling quickly and it doesn’t effect me anymore, just try it for a while,
you will be surprised how it comes on line.
very helpful visualizations! thanks.
One more question, with this flatter than standard plane coming into the
ball, do you ideally need clubs with a flatter than standard lie angle? I
once heard that Hogan used clubs that were 6 or 7 degrees flat to
facilitate his swing. Not sure about Moe.
Moes clubs were actually more upright than standard to facilitate his high
extended arms/ hands at address, the ‘back-flip/Under plane’ is not as
severe as it feels and as you can see in any video of Moe coming into
impact his hands/arms are still high and extended, you dont need flatter
jh I remember a moe disciple appearing on The Big Break and he said he
feels like he’s serving a tray of drinks on the way down….sounds like the
back flip move!
Hi Jerry, my feeling is that the drinks on the waiters tray would be
sliding off the tray at angle backwards at 90 degs to the ball/target line.
right thumb really trying to point backwards to the ground, heel pad of the
right hand upwards and at the ball/target line, its a radical feeling for
sure, and mostly it is way more feeling than actuality.
Its not easy for sure and you will feel you are going to wipe the shot big
time first up , but you must just remember to get the left hand/forearm
rotating very hard coming into and through the ball, I rotate both hands
and forearms very hard as soon as I start the downswing, and so did Moe
contrary to popular belief.
+1atomicgolf I’m a scratch player but since consciously thinking of the
back flip I simply haven’t missed a fairway in a week. Unbelievable
straightness if you already have a Moe type swing. I can’t wait to bring
home the club championship. Thank you so much for the help. Cheers from
JH, I think I found a good explanation about why what you call the “atomic
particle” works so well. In the below video starting about 4 minutes in,
Monte Scheinblum explains how deliberately firing the right hand
automatically causes the body to speed up the right arm such that shaft
lean at impact is maintained.
(at 6:28 his pitch shot looks very similar to your pitch shots with the
Monte is a very good coach, fantastic simple clearly explained information
and he has IMO the best swing of any You Tube coach by far, his explanation
relative to the point you highlight is absolutely correct, I have never
seen Monte give out any advice that I didn’t agree with, he knows his
stuff, and can demonstrate it as well.
JH, how doable is this swing if you have very limited grip strength
particularly in the lead hand? I have a permanent injury to my index finger
on my lead hand and I cannot squeeze the grip very hard. Because of this,
in order to avoid casting the club into the ground which is my repeating
nemesis, I have had to adopt a more vertical swing with hands up high at
the top of the back swing. It seems to me you need a good amount of grip
strength to pull off flatter planed golf swings.
You dont ‘need’ Moe’s super tight grip pressure..you only need enough to
create the lead pulling action.. the simplest way to do that is completely
soften the right hand grip at address to virtually zero and keep it that
way until right at impact, that will enable even a weak left hand grip to
be able to pull in the downswing, just kill the right hand pressure to the
extent the left has more..no matter what level of ‘more’ that is.
JH, do you have any wrist angle between your left arm and the club shaft at
address or are you trying to hold them in a straight line like Moe?
Also, at address you look like your head is back over the right knee. Is
that head location at address important? It looks like your head position
combined with teeing the ball way forward gives you a shoulder tilt of at
least 3 or 4 inches and a spine that is tilted noticeably to the right
instead of straight forward over the ball as in a more traditional swing.
I dont have the straight line relationship of my left arm and club shaft as
Moe does, that’s just my personal application, because I want to set up in
a closed position at address and be in that position at impact I set my
head back to pre program that, if you look at Moe he has a lot of spine
tilt to the right coming into and at impact, if I’ could’ keep my head back
over my right knee at impact like Moe I would be very happy.