Posted by William on October 25, 2016 in Davinci Code Golf
So there is a weight shift?
+rrasmussen32 There is a definite weight-shift… the only thing you
consciously hold back is your shoulders and the arms/hands, the legs will
want to unload the stored weight and torque they will… all you are trying
to do is stop the unwinding of the ‘shoulders’ early… not restrict the
whole body from going towards the target as a natural process of weight
I guess you should think of it as letting the normal weight shift take pace
on the downswing but not letting the shoulders rotate open whilst that is
happening, I suppose you could think of the process as ‘backing’ into the
downswing as apposed to ‘turning into the downswing… hope that gives a
bit more enlightenment. JH
Got it. I played maybe the most enjoyable round in 10 years using what I
think is your system. The best thing, no back pain and a 175 yard 3 iron
into a 20 mile an hour wind to 8 feet. Nice.
+rrasmussen32 Wow that was a great 3 iron…so glad you could apply the
description of the mechanics into playing performance.. and so quickly.
What an added bonus of no back pain… just great to hear you got some good
This is the Moe Norman swing. I currently swing this way and one thing you
might add is the lead fore-arm rotates up not just the wrist on the follow
through or release of the club. l like the term J.H. uses when he said
that the arms swing past the body .
+Tom J. I am doing some ‘specific’ stuff on Moe Normans mechanics this
week… there may be something that will be of additional help to your
application of Moe’s swing mechanics, I should have the vids up by this
coming Thursday . JH
I pick up more info every time I watch it. Thanks J.H. for describing your
feelings. I got more out of it than the people who teach to swing the Moe
+Tom J. Thanks for That Tom, I must say my understanding of Moe’s mechanics
differ from anyone that I have heard talk about his mechanics.. and that is
from the likes of Todd Graves and Greg Lavern who spent a lot of time with
Moe.. Greg i.n particular.
I guess that stems from my own analytical perspectives on Moe’s own
descriptive, s of his swing mechanics… I think I know what Moe really
‘mean’ as apposed to just what he ‘said’… there is quite a difference
when you apply the later. JH.
+1atomicgolf I left the ‘T’ of ‘meant’.
look at tom tomasello utube video on golf swing. works well foe me.
+Tom J. Tom is a very knowledgeable guy, doesnt get the accolades or
exposure he deserves, his methods do work well that is for sure.
The Best Moe Norman Mechanics drill is to hit some shots with say a wedge/9
iron with the rear foot drawn back 6- 8 inches of the address line and
keep the rear foot down and rear hip back when you hit the shots, the
front knee must be flexed at impact as well.
The shots will be just half type shots and should feel
very much ‘in to out’ with your attack path, if you can ‘pull’ with your
left hand/arm and keep the hands ‘low’ through the ball you will get a
basic feel of what is required in the full swing.
Good thoughts here.
High JH – First time I’ve seen your videos and tried to view as many from 3
years back. It seems that you have evolved your swing through many
different styles but found this type of Moe Norman swing to be the most
efficient . So am I correct in assuming that you are advocating this swing
as the best of all the styles you have experimented with? I’ve also seen
your Moe Norman videos which were very interesting but really impressed
with how fluent and easy you were swinging using this method.
Because I teach players for all reasons/problems etc relative to ‘their’
swings the videos are only derivations of the golf swing in general so that
players may resonate with something that I am advocating at a specific
The Moe stuff of late is only relative to some students of long back making
contact again and just wanting some extra info on Moe’s mechanics.
Do I think Moe’s mechanics are the ‘best’ … they are if you were built
like Moe and had his incredible timing factors etc… for players generally
I think the change to Moe’s mechanics are frankly a bridge to far for most.
You can certainly employ derivations of his mechanics to your swing like
the single axis/plane component but to try and employ his mechanics in
total is very very difficult, I love Moe’s mechanics but even having
‘taught’ the process for some 24+ years I cant get anywhere near the real
application of the mechanics .
My personal take on the ‘best’ mechanics a player can apply is that of
getting mechanics that suit ‘your ‘ body type and bio-mechanical
capabilities..and that’s how I assess every students swing needs.
Because I spent some time around Moe watching him hit shots I think I did
pick up his ‘get on with it’ type of swing process/rhythm’ and I can look
on occasions like the swing is easy and fluent, but frankly that’s because
in the videos you can swing without any mental hindrances which is quite
different to the shot to shot applications in actually ‘playing’
golf…having said that I have had my days on the course with Moe’s
mechanics where I hit the ball amazingly well with no thought processes
other than rhythm and motion.
+1atomicgolf Many thanks JH for your honest opinions. I think your so right
about swinging according to your body mechanics. Just too many golf
instructors out there trying to sell their methods to people who then have
manipulate their natural movements to conform to some body position /weight
distribution, etc. I’ve read some books by Ed Tischler which explain the
many different biomechanical extremes where people may fit in ‘somewhere’ ,
so maybe its time to start building my own unique swing using my
biomechanics. What would be interesting is to view your Moe Norman type
swing from above so we can see how the golf shaft /clubface approach
release while you do your reverse rotation move (lateral move), keeping
your head back and down, ‘right shoulder push down into right flexed wrist’
. Tried to learn the Moe Norman swing from videos posted by an instructor
called Kirk Junge but he never explained ‘how’ to do that ‘lateral move’
(ie. I think Hogan did that type of move too – The Hogan Power Move ) or
why Moe did it. He also never explained why Moe had such straight legs at
impact or why he had such a wide stance. Many thanks for explaining this in
are you folding your right arm? hard to see
+Robert Bilardo Hi Robert,
” Am I folding My Right Arm’…. only as a ‘consequence’…not as a
‘;deliberate’ action/thought…the right(trail arm) has to fold in any golf
swing in order that the golf club gets some elevation in the back swing.
If you are wondering if I try to keep my right arm straight ‘as long’ as I
can on the back swing instead of the traditional early folding that
normally occurs the answer is yes, I do try to extend t’both’ arms as far
as they will go before the right arm ‘has’ to fold, so to again add to your
question I do have an ‘extra’ extension effort to keep the right arm as
straight as I can as long as I can on the back swing, but I ultimately just
let it fold as it has to in the end.
+1atomicgolf Great. Thank you, I’ll concentrate on that feeling.
when you say long, how long does your driver carry?
+D Martins At 75 years old I am never going to be carrying the ball very
far, my normal carry is 235/240 meters , when I say ‘normal’ that is like
90% of my drives… because I am a precision distance type player I always
swing with the same amount of effort and never try for extra distance..240
in the fairway is way better than 260 in the rhubarb everyday.
75? Woa, Awesome, keep living the dream. Thank you for your great videos.
Graphite stiff shafts?
+D Martins My drivers mostly are around 260cpm which is a good strong stiff
shaft, depending again on how the shaft flexes , sometimes I use X shafts
in my drivers to get the spin rates down, it all depends on the type of
ball flight a particular driver gives as to what flex shaft I end up using.
+1atomicgolf My Irons I use very soft shafts because I don’t hit them hard
at all , actually playing ‘A’ shafts in my Taylormade M2 irons right now,
amazing how easy they are to hit .
I don’t know about Moe Norman but Harry Cooper used what he called “the
diagonal shift” and what you’re doing is basically the same thing. Hogan
said Cooper was a supreme ball striker and I guess that’s the best
recommendation there is.
+ed chapman Hi Ed,
Harry Cooper was apparently a super ball striker, the “diagonal Shift’
certainly has similarities, as I have said many times, the ‘Old Guys’ knew
it all, we are just today finding out what they really knew .
+1atomicgolf Couldn’t finish my comment – the wife had a chore for me but
the essence of what you’re doing is a breath of fresh air compared to the
usual patter on youtube – I see this as a way of getting everything
together at impact, instead of the tired “hips first, followed by the
shoulders, and so on.” I can’t imagine anyone trying to pick up a bag of
cement by using some kind of kinetic chain. I like your ideas.
+ed chapman Hi Ed,
I just try to give an array of methods/processes that hopefully for players
will fit what ‘they’ can do in their Swing mechanics, as an aside just for
fun I punched into my computer search engine the other day ..’ How To Swing
A Golf Club’… I got 1,5 million results , that says it all I guess.