14 Responses to “The Whole Kit And Kaboodle Moe Mechanics”

  1. <path_to_url> tony. rob

    Hi JH I tried this at the range last weekend and hit 50 Balls. A few balls
    flew extremely well and dead straight and long for me. I think I started
    to get the right leg behind the lead leg as you describe.On Monday I was
    struggling to walk. The inner thigh on the right leg into the groin hurt
    like hell. Obviously I do not have the range of motion to do that move. Is
    there some way to circumvent this move to alleviate the strain on that
    inner thigh and still get a good result. I am 68 years oldRegardsTony

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Tony,
      I have mentioned on occasions the requirement to have a fairly good range
      of hip extensor flexibility and groin muscles, if you release the right
      heel a bit but keep and just let it float laterally without rolling
      outwards you still should get a good result from the swing and it will take
      a lot of the stretch requirement out of the action.
      cheers JH

  2. <path_to_url> Chip Satterly

    Hi JH,
    I’ve REALLY been enjoying your new series on the recent “atomic” changes
    you’ve found in Moe’s swing.
    Yesterday, I was watching some video clips on Henrik Stenson and suddenly
    realized that he has a very interesting move that he uses to start his
    There is a type of squatting/sitting move followed immediately by a very
    interesting move of his right leg. It looks to me like he is straightening
    his right leg as his left knee folds in.
    Anyway, I haven’t seen it in slow motion so as to able to dissect it more
    thoroughly but it does appear that he is getting into a Moe-like move with
    his right leg.
    If you get a chance, take a look and tell us what you think.
    No doubt that Stenson has found something that has allowed him to become an
    amazing (if not Moe-like) ball striker.
    Best regards,


    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Chip,
      Henrik has that little precursor move into his right side to make sure he
      gets his weight shift programmed because he used to have a very pronounced
      ‘pickup’ of the club in his early days and because he is such an free Arm
      swinger it was easy for him to just pick his arms up and not get enough
      rotational weight shift on the back swing.
      I think he has the most aggressive free arm swing I have ever seen from any
      world class player, but if you get to aggressive with the arms on the
      backswing as he does its very easy to not shift the weight into the trail
      side as you need to to facilitate the amount of lead weight shift you need
      on the forward swing to balance up the support of the super aggressive free
      arm swing into the ball.
      cheers JH

  3. <path_to_url> Craig Mcmahon

    Hi JH, I’ve been a long time admirer and follower of Moe’s perfect
    mechanics and have only recently discovered your videos, which I’m really
    enjoying. I’ve read almost every book there is about Moe and would like
    your opinion on the part in Greg Lavern’s book where he reveals Moe’s most
    important secret move (also done by Hogan apparently) and that is the first
    move on the downswing being a move TOWARDS the ball with the sternum.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Craig,
      I haven seen that reference by Greg Lavern, I haven’t read any of his stuff
      because he labelled everyone but himself as ‘Knuckleheads’ if we had the
      temerity to offer ‘any’ opinion on Moe’s swing mechanics, so I have no
      opinion on anything that he says frankly.
      I will however point out the Anatomic flaw in that statement if it was made
      in that specific frame of reference.
      If we deduce that at the finish of the back swing Moe has turned his
      shoulders normally to his right and being constructed as all other Humans
      are his sternum is located between his shoulders which are turned at right
      angle to the ball line how can the sternum be the first body section to
      move towards the ball , how do you get the lead shoulder out of the way for
      the sternum to be the first responder to the downswing without the lead
      shoulder moving before the sternum.
      Anatomically its impossible for the sternum to move independently of the
      shoulder girdle, ok its semantics but this is the problem with so much
      instruction information, its ‘perception’ by the person making the claims,
      even Moe clearly didn’t do things he thought he did in his swing.
      If Lavern had said Moe had the ‘Feeling’ his sternum was the first thing
      that moved to the ball on the downswing that could be accepted… but the
      ‘feeling’ of the sternum going to the ball could not have happened if the
      shoulder girdle did not stay closed and the proximal part of the body being
      the left shoulder had not initiated the oblique transverse diagonal move
      back to the ball line.
      The sternum at the top of the back swing is facing ‘away’ from the ball
      line…if it is to be the ‘first. thing to move ‘towards ‘ the ball on the
      downswing it must move itself past the left shoulder girdle without the
      left shoulder girdle moving which is an anatomical impossibility, again not
      wanting to be pedantic but you just cannot use that type of description and
      expect it to have any acceptance level of credibility of understanding from
      people like myself , or anyone for that matter that understands basic human
      anatomy .
      My own explanation would be that you could have the feeling that you were
      moving your sternum in an oblique direction to the ball line with the
      sternum maintaining its closed position inside the shoulder girdle, I would
      never say to feel the sternum was the ‘firs’t thing to move towards the
      ball because that conjures up the sternum as ‘turning’ towards the ball by
      itself independently which clearly would be a disaster as it would conjure
      up the feeling of an early opening of the sternum on the downswing which
      you obviously wouldnt want in Moe’s swing.
      If Moe had the problem of ‘perceptional’ swing process movements as apposed
      to reality I can understand other people having the same problems,
      ‘thinking’ of the sternum as being the ‘first’ thing to move to the ball is
      OK, but in reality it doesn’t and cannot happen .
      cheers JH

  4. <path_to_url> Craig Mcmahon

    Thanks for the reply, I didn’t like his manner either and quite frankly I
    couldn’t understand what he meant and how to do it anyway. Do the think
    Todd Graves’ method is more sound?

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      Hi Craig,
      I think the Graves method is the best for players generally because what
      they advocate is well explained and can be done reasonably easily , there
      is not the ‘deep secrets’ of specific personal things that Moe supposedly
      did, I can tell you stuff he said he did personally but they are way to
      hard to do for the learner, or even the very good player because they are
      relative to ‘Moe’s” capabilities and physicality.
      The best way to go down the Moe mechanics road is to just apply the
      ‘essence’ of his swing mechanics and not the ‘personal specifics’…the
      Graves method is very ‘learn-able’ , I think they are the best guys by far
      to learn the overall process of Moe’s swing, at the end of the day getting
      a swing that lets you cut out a lot of the rotation through the ball is
      what Moe’s swing is really about, and that’s all I try to do myself .
      cheers JH

  5. <path_to_url> edoardo barzano

    Great Videos, Thank You for your effort. You are one of the fews that
    understands the importance of cameras, angles and that delivers the message
    better than others.
    Hit about 600 balls yesterday of which 45 straight, realized just now that
    the right arm-rib cage must have been a big part of my mistakes. Also
    changed grip yday…
    good on ya JH.
    knowledge should be free.

    • <path_to_url> edoardo barzano

      A small advice for your vids, remember that if you set the audio on
      automatic ( meaning you letting the camera set the levels for you, the
      levels will look perfect on their meter level scale, but what happens is
      that the automatic audio level ‘compresses’ more the audio in result of
      picking up a lot more of the background noise)
      Best thing is to set audio levels manually around -20 db.
      Audio will sound much better and cleaner.

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      +edoardo barzano I have the settings at -20db now and it is the best of the
      settings I have tried to date, the Audio is not high quality recording
      equipment although it is the latest Rode Filmmaker kit which is supposed to
      be fairly good for the money.
      I am not a production guy and I just need something that is easy to set up
      and is fairly robust in its construction , the videos are filmed in the
      ‘Rough’ in the cow paddock most times so they naturally take on the
      personality of the environment I guess in that they are ‘Rough’ as well.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> edoardo barzano

      They re great videos, and the equipment you have is more than enough.
      If you have at at -20 you’ll be fine.
      I actually suggested it after watching a video that might have been from
      couple of years ago….

    • <path_to_url> 1atomicgolf

      I think the video you refered to was an older one with the old audio stuff.
      cheers JH

    • <path_to_url> edoardo barzano

      yeah def. Just thought I ll let ya know though. By the way my driver shot
      is doing great thx to your tips.